Let's imagine we lived in a fantasy land where all humans are capable of effectively communicating and procreating with any other fauna in the world.

- Animals can communicate with us with the same fluency and competency we communicate with each other.

- Animals can adapt to our way of life (as our society has accommodated them) just as you might adapt to theirs if you so choose. (Think the society in Shirokuma/Polar Bear Café if that helps.)

- Laws state that you can have relations with any animal that was sexually mature and capable of giving consent (as dictated by law today).

- All animals have kept their current form (feral, not anthro).

- Offspring between human and animal would always be animal, though they might share some minute traits of the human, such as eye color.

- Ladies: Giving birth to the animal won't kill or impale you.

All of this considered, which animal(s) would you consider having romantic and/or sexual relationships with? Would you choose to produce offspring with them?

To answer my own question: I would happily put my homosexuality aside to bring a pod of alligators into the world.

FatherOfGray said:
- Ladies: Giving birth to the animal won't kill or impale you.

So when a lady is trying to give birth to a baby blue whale...

TheHuskyK9 said:
So when a lady is trying to give birth to a baby blue whale...

It works somehow. If that means the vagina becomes a cosmic worm hole or the animal comes out small and magically grows like how Pokémon come out of eggs, so be it.

Why are human genes almost 100% recessive?

The human species would have died out long ago if that was the case, or gotten so xenophobic in fear of extinction that a peaceful harmony between the species wouldn't be possible.

NotMeNotYou said:
Why are human genes almost 100% recessive?

The human species would have died out long ago if that was the case, or gotten so xenophobic in fear of extinction that a peaceful harmony between the species wouldn't be possible.

Frankly the human race can do with lower numbers. Animals wouldn't kill us since we are the Ditto of the world. We are useful in that we contribute to their species and enhance their way of living via the technological advances we can create to aid us all. (At the end of the day it's just a silly hypothetical question. It doesn't have to be 100% hole-free. :P)

FatherOfGray said:
All of this considered, which animal(s) would you consider having romantic and/or sexual relationships with? Would you choose to produce offspring with them?

Preferably none, because I'm boring like that.

But if I had to choose one for whatever reason, I'd say dolphins. I don't know why.

nah

I want to mate with Rainbow Dash horse pony.

I would enjoy the inevitable porn.

Cosmic wormhole vagina? Can I store things in it?

Crystalinn said:
Cosmic wormhole vagina? Can I store things in it?

Sure. Why not? :)

FatherOfGray said:
Sure. Why not? :)

10/10 would live in this world

Durandal said:
Preferably none, because I'm boring like that.

But if I had to choose one for whatever reason, I'd say dolphins. I don't know why.

It's because they'll rape you if you don't.

Snowy said:
It's because they'll rape you if you don't.

I'm glad I made the right choice!

Snowy said:
It's because they'll rape you if you don't.

Dolphins are actually one of my least favorite animals. They've had it too good for too long. *cocks harpoon gun*

FatherOfGray said:
Dolphins are actually one of my least favorite animals. They've had it too good for too long. *cocks harpoon gun*

Sharks are misunderstood

TheHuskyK9 said:
Sharks are misunderstood

Indeed they are, and I totally sympathize with them... but nothing will ever make them not fucking terrifying to me.

FatherOfGray said:
Dolphins are actually one of my least favorite animals. They've had it too good for too long. *cocks harpoon gun*

most people like dolphins because they're cute. I like them because they are hardcore badasses

parasprite said:
I want to mate with Rainbow Dash horse pony.

I too want to cum inside Rainbow Dash.

Some of this sexual agenda could happen after a few decades of biotech research, but it will be bitterly opposed by ethicists.

• Animals already communicate with each other, but the complexity of the speech and ideas communicated are disputed.
• Homo sapiens evolved the ability to express the speech we use today. Bringing animals on board by altering their vocal chords may be possible. Animals have been shown to imitate human speech but can't do it very well with their current vocal chords.
• The goal of uplift is to make animals as smart as humans. It is tricky because intelligence is not well understood. Can "feral" animals be as smart as humans? Brain to body size ratio is often cited but not the full story. Homo sapiens experienced a large increase in brain size, but some other properties like the complexity of astrocytes also underlie human intelligence. Also, a large portion of any brain's neurons are supposedly devoted to controlling movement. But it's still not clear that you can ever have a mouse as intelligent as a human simply because the scale is too small. Larger mammals/animals may be easier targets.
• Why did humans evolve to become more intelligent? One theory is that the utility of the hand and ability to use tools and fire allowed for cooking. Cooked meat yielded enough calories to support a larger brain. Natural selection picked humans with larger brains that were able to cooperate and survive. Farming developed and the rest is history.
• Uplift will be a requirement for consent to be recognized. Current zoophilia advocates argue unsuccessfully that animals can consent. Courts would be much more likely to recognize consent and personhood of sapient animals.
• Hybridization with animals is unlikely unless it is done in the lab. It could be possible to mix traits from a specific human and a non-human, but it will require a deep understanding of genetics and supercomputing to simulate the outcomes. Maybe there would come a time when the sperm and the egg could be altered in utero by nanobots. In which case you could fuck and get a growing baby. But you don't want a female human delivering 200 pound babies. Artificial wombs are more likely than human female wombs.
• Ethicists will slow or block the required experimentation. Even if all of the above is possible, laws will be an obstacle. Bringing an intelligent animal into existence is bringing a suffering, reasoning being into existence. Doing it as a sexual pursuit will also not go over well. Suppose you create the first sapient non-human (feral or anthro). That being would quickly be entitled to the same universal human rights, freedom from being destroyed or treated as a slave/property, and would be the focus of intense media scrutiny. You'll only get to have consensual sex with one if there are millions of them running around. Otherwise you have to hold your own personal creation hostage. Sounds like fun to create and brainwash your own feral/anthro sex slave, but you will become a criminal by any definition.

2real4u I no, but reality cums closer.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Some of this sexual agenda could happen after a few decades of biotech research, but it will be bitterly opposed by ethicists.

'' Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right. '' -- Asimov

It's an objective fact that some species -- like octopi -- are up to 4 times more right than others ;)

no I don't want to fuck animal only animal people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

memeboy said:
no I don't want to fuck animal only animal people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> still preferring anthro
> 2000 + 15

pls

parasprite said:
> still preferring anthro
> 2000 + 15

pls

U jus want to hump the cartoon horse but I want to hump the furry

FatherOfGray said:
All of this considered, which animal(s) would you consider having romantic and/or sexual relationships with?

That's assuming that they'd want to have sexual relations with us. That's a rather big assumption.

Genjar said:
That's assuming that they'd want to have sexual relations with us. That's a rather big assumption.

skinnies

Halite said:
I would enjoy the inevitable porn.

Moe_Biehl said:
Urgh, I can see it now.

"What's that, my slippery friend from the western Indian Ocean? You're sad that you're an endangered species and can't find a mate? Well fear not, dear coelacanth, for I have a solution!"

This would make for some amazingly cheesy porn.

Nope, I'm good, I don't wanna have kids with anything at all.

... Unless there were dragons. That would probably my be enough to tempt me.

Genjar said:
That's assuming that they'd want to have sexual relations with us. That's a rather big assumption.

I'd we got to know them the same way we know each other, it doesn't seem like it would be too far fetched.

Moe_Biehl said:
Urgh, I can see it now.

"What's that, my slippery friend from the western Indian Ocean? You're sad that you're an endangered species and can't find a mate? Well fear not, dear coelacanth, for I have a solution!"

Exactly! :D

parasprite said:
> still preferring anthro
> 2000 + 15

pls

Excuse me? Fetishes have absolutely nothing to do with the year, or anything else you're insinuating by this. Of course people like anthro in 2015; it's why it still exists.

On this site, there are over 20,000 posts tagged with 'anthro'. So why are you implying that it's a fad and nothing else?

I'm with memeboy on this one - liking anthro has precisely nothing to do with the year. >:/

he right the year has nothing to do with wanting to hump the furry

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Excuse me? Fetishes have absolutely nothing to do with the year, or anything else you're insinuating by this. Of course people like anthro in 2015; it's why it still exists.

He was clearly joking...

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Excuse me? Fetishes have absolutely nothing to do with the year, or anything else you're insinuating by this. Of course people like anthro in 2015; it's why it still exists.

On this site, there are over 20,000 posts tagged with 'anthro'. So why are you implying that it's a fad and nothing else?

I'm with memeboy on this one - liking anthro has precisely nothing to do with the year. >:/

It's a sort of a meme format, probably popularized on 4chan.

> on /mlp/
> not wanting to hump real animals
> 2015

>>>/out/

or

> implying we shouldn't have slave ownership in a free country
> 1861

What in Mary's name is this plebian going on about now?

and so on...

some fucking furry has probably commissioned art of their fursona fucking their dog and that's not ok

memeboy said:
some fucking furry has probably commissioned art of their fursona fucking their dog and that's not ok

Utterly disgusting. I don't know why anyone would even think of committing an atrocity like that.

Commissioning art of your fursona is just... wrong.

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FatherOfGray said:
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I didn't do it this time

parasprite said:
It's a sort of a meme format, probably popularized on 4chan.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's funny, nor applicable to personal preferences, i.e., things you don't necessarily like.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's funny, nor applicable to personal preferences, i.e., things you don't necessarily like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

can we move on now

In my defence, though: Poe's Law.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
In my defence, though: Poe's Law.

Don't worry, I still love you Ryuzaki-san.

Y'know what, if the children of a human and feral always ended up taking after the feral parents, then no. If they had an approximately equal chance (Even 40/60), then maybe. Love is love, but as far as siring children goes, I want the human race to continue on, man.

Furrin_Gok said:
Y'know what, if the children of a human and feral always ended up taking after the feral parents, then no. If they had an approximately equal chance (Even 40/60), then maybe. Love is love, but as far as siring children goes, I want the human race to continue on, man.

What's the point; singularity is inevitable

Durandal said:
What's the point; singularity is inevitable

I still can't understand your jargon, Durandal :(

Furrin_Gok said:
I still can't understand your jargon, Durandal :(

There may come a time when our species becomes... obsolete...

Durandal said:
There may come a time when our species becomes... obsolete...

Sounds like a whole lot of "Either we become cyborgs to continue on, or we just continue living out our lives as a lesser peoples." Sure, AIs could rise up and kill us off, but that's more of the Robot Revolution than the Singularity.

Honestly, even if, as a race, we cannot advance civilization any further, I would still not want to doom a species to extinction. Technology might become stagnant, but that doesn't mean civilization will.

Furrin_Gok said:
Sounds like a whole lot of "Either we become cyborgs to continue on, or we just continue living out our lives as a lesser peoples." Sure, AIs could rise up and kill us off, but that's more of the Robot Revolution than the Singularity.

Honestly, even if, as a race, we cannot advance civilization any further, I would still not want to doom a species to extinction. Technology might become stagnant, but that doesn't mean civilization will.

If you were an AI, why would you want a bunch of warmongering bipeds around?

In all seriousness though, (and back on topic as a bonus!), I totally agree with what you said earlier. I like my offspring human.

Imagine a human giving birth to a dolphin, for instance, or vice versa. I don't think that would work too well in either case.

Durandal said:
If you were an AI, why would you want a bunch of warmongering bipeds around?

In all seriousness though, (and back on topic as a bonus!), I totally agree with what you said earlier. I like my offspring human.

Imagine a human giving birth to a dolphin, for instance, or vice versa. I don't think that would work too well in either case.

Well, there are no perfect plans...

I'm on the opposite side, though. I think that it would be neat. If, as Nimmy said, our genes weren't 100% recessive (say, around 65% - 70%), the whole "werewolf" thing and/or the furry world would be a reality :3

ETA: It would be funny to see these happening up close among these too

Durandal said:
If you were an AI, why would you want a bunch of warmongering bipeds around?

In all seriousness though, (and back on topic as a bonus!), I totally agree with what you said earlier. I like my offspring human.

Imagine a human giving birth to a dolphin, for instance, or vice versa. I don't think that would work too well in either case.

But... They both breath air, they both give live birth, etc. The ambionic fluid would serve as the moisture a dolphin child needs, and dolphins are already really damn smart, throw in human comprehension (Hell, maybe without it... There's been no records of how they give birth in the wild) and they'd know well enough to give birth in shallow water so if it ends up being a land-dweller, they can keep it above water.

Xch3l said:
Well, there are no perfect plans...

I'm on the opposite side, though. I think that it would be neat. If, as Nimmy said, our genes weren't 100% recessive (say, around 65% - 70%), the whole "werewolf" thing and/or the furry world would be a reality :3

ETA: It would be funny to see these happening up close among these too

If furries became the norm, then species would go extinct, leaving only the Furry forms behind. If it were only a 15% chance of the offspring being "Furry," that would be more acceptable, as most children would still end up as normal humans or ferals.

gaydukey said:
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It's not for anything, but could you please stop spamming that same image?

who i would love 2 date
shyloc folf

gaydukey said:
who i would love 2 date
shyloc folf

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JoeX said:
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Furrin_Gok said:
But... They both breath air, they both give live birth, etc. The ambionic fluid would serve as the moisture a dolphin child needs, and dolphins are already really damn smart, throw in human comprehension (Hell, maybe without it... There's been no records of how they give birth in the wild) and they'd know well enough to give birth in shallow water so if it ends up being a land-dweller, they can keep it above water.

Oh, late response, but what happens to baby next? How will it nurse? How will it get to land? How will it even survive if it does? Babies are not known for their survival skills...

Which is why you should use protection when fucking a sentient dolphin.

Just_Another_Dragon said:
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Durandal said:
Oh, late response, but what happens to baby next? How will it nurse? How will it get to land? How will it even survive if it does? Babies are not known for their survival skills...

Which is why you should use protection when fucking a sentient dolphin.

Dolphins have mammary glands, believe it or not. Being sapient, they could flop up onto land pretty dang safely.

While a Dolphin could birth a human, the baby should still come with the dolphin built-in instincts, which cause baby dolphins to hold their breath until the whole upper two thirds of their body are in air (Adult dolphins have learned to recognize when their blowhole itself is above water, and only need that, and that alone in air).

Furrin_Gok said:
... Being sapient, they could flop up onto land pretty dang safely...

+1 for proper use of the word sapient instead of sentient.

Tokaido said:
+1 for proper use of the word sapient instead of sentient.

Since when are dolphins sapient though? I define that as having homo-sapiens comparable intelligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetacean_intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_consciousness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition#Relation_to_sapience

TL;DR: they are smart but they fall short.

I think dolphins are a good target for uplift though. "Bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops truncatus) have an absolute brain mass of 1500-1700 grams. Bottlenose Dolphins have the largest brain to body mass ratio of any mammal on Earth, sharing close ratios with those of Humans and Great Apes, which more than likely attributes to their incredibly high intelligence and emotional intelligence." Within 20 years someone could alter the bottlenose genome to replicate attributes of the human brain and possibly expand the capability of the vocal chords. Strap on a robot exoskeleton and the dolphin can go to the office. All of this would be easier than making an anthro.

Tokaido said:
+1 for proper use of the word sapient instead of sentient.

whatever maaaan

Lance_Armstrong said:
Strap on a robot exoskeleton and the dolphin can go to the office.

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Lance_Armstrong said:
Since when are dolphins sapient though? I define that as having homo-sapiens comparable intelligence.
...
All of this would be easier than making an anthro.

This is a bunch of theoreticals, y'know? Under the hypothetical situation where every animal on Earth is not only biologically compatible with humans, but sapient, therefore able to consent to sex and understanding of the risks of it, without bioengineering from what they are in reality.

Furrin_Gok said:
This is a bunch of theoreticals, y'know? Under the hypothetical situation where every animal on Earth is not only biologically compatible with humans, but sapient, therefore able to consent to sex and understanding of the risks of it, without bioengineering from what they are in reality.

The scientific consensus is there are no sapient animals, for a narrow definition of sapient. Waiting for evolution to produce an ultra intelligent animal would take millions of years. Costs of bioengineering are in exponential decline and capabilities+knowledge are massively increasing. The cheaper and better it gets, the more chance there is someone will play Dr. Moreaux successfully, and spread the instructions across the Internet. The consent legal issue and other legal issues would become relevant after that happens... however the decentralized nature of amateur biotechnology will allow such laws to be broken.

Lance_Armstrong said:
The scientific consensus is there are no sapient animals, for a narrow definition of sapient. Waiting for evolution to produce an ultra intelligent animal would take millions of years. Costs of bioengineering are in exponential decline and capabilities+knowledge are massively increasing. The cheaper and better it gets, the more chance there is someone will play Dr. Moreaux successfully, and spread the instructions across the Internet. The consent legal issue and other legal issues would become relevant after that happens... however the decentralized nature of amateur biotechnology will allow such laws to be broken.

Why are you bringing up the illogicalities of sapience in our reality, when the whole subject is about an alternate reality, where it's perfectly logical?

Huh, lots of people want anthro furry children. I can't believe I am the only one here who wants to bring up a family of animals. I know I'd be the best damn alligator dad as I can be. That 80% mortality rate for eggs? Not on my watch. Incubators away from predators. I win.

Furrin_Gok said:
Why are you bringing up the illogicalities of sapience in our reality, when the whole subject is about an alternate reality, where it's perfectly logical?

I want the real thing. There's no point in playing make believe.

FatherOfGray said:
Huh, lots of people want anthro furry children. I can't believe I am the only one here who wants to bring up a family of animals. I know I'd be the best damn alligator dad as I can be. That 80% mortality rate for eggs? Not on my watch. Incubators away from predators. I win.

It's fine and dandy, but you go with humans can't be born, and you're killing off any chance of human ingenuity. Your statement is that you would be the one to keep the children alive, but if humans die out, how could that be done anymore?