I am working to correct a group of people who have quite a big spot in the media and would like to know before I send it off just how many of you think you are part animal part human (or therian) seen as i am new to the fandom community but not the artwork i would like to know before i send this off, like with these *fursonas* do you think you are part animal? or do you just like dressing up and having fun? and who of you just like the fandom for its fun, not being judged and the artwork. I do hope I will get a nice amount of responses so as I can get a rough idea. Thank you for anyone who will help.

Well i know that i'm a human in real life, but i don't think the personality from real life resembles my personality on the internet, its like i'm a different person altogether when i'm in the internet.

I guess that would be considered multiple personality but only on the internet? i just can't classify it.

Just_Another_Dragon said:
Well i know that i'm a human in real life, but i don't think the personality from real life resembles my personality on the internet, its like i'm a different person altogether when i'm in the internet.

I guess that would be considered multiple personality but only on the internet? i just can't classify it.

That i can understand. but in life as a whole would you say you think you are part animal and part human?

The otherkin, horsekin, chickenkin, burgerkin, bookshelfkin people are mentally unstable, and as far as I know, most furries agree with that opinion.

Peekaboo said:
The otherkin, horsekin, chickenkin, burgerkin, bookshelfkin people are mentally unstable, and as far as I know, most furries agree with that opinion.

Yes. A person who not only believes they should be an animal, but that they are part animal (excluding humans as animals, in this case), are unstable.

sergal239 said:
That i can understand. but in life as a whole would you say you think you are part animal and part human?

I'm 100% human.

I consider myself mostly personality and water. Over the years the amount of personality I have grows and the amount of water I have shrinks. I'm not sure if there's something profound about this, but I could probably formulate a plausible theory about it if this were 1920.

Just_Another_Dragon said:
Well i know that i'm a human in real life, but i don't think the personality from real life resembles my personality on the internet, its like i'm a different person altogether when i'm in the internet.

I guess that would be considered multiple personality but only on the internet? i just can't classify it.

There's a similar concept in linguistics called "code switching", a fairly common phenomenon where speakers will tend to (unconsciously) speak differently depending on who they are with. I would be very surprised if something like this didn't already exist with social psychology.

Peekaboo said:
The otherkin, horsekin, chickenkin, burgerkin, bookshelfkin people are mentally unstable, and as far as I know, most furries agree with that opinion.

You forgot hodgekin and gherkin.

Furrin_Gok said:
Yes. A person who not only believes they should be an animal, but that they are part animal (excluding humans as animals, in this case), are unstable.

a actuall find them very nice i watched a doco on them (i think im an animal) and they seem quite nice, in fact i think they are the closets thing to anthros we have on earth. but this is not about them this is about us and what we think. who here thinks they are part animal. and who is here for the art, the friends, etc etc etc?

I'm not a man, I'm a weapon in human form. Weaponkin

I tink fures suk

In other news, I am a human. I have skin, and hair, and teeth, and nails, and I'm a dog.

Peekaboo said:
bookshelfkin

"Look, just because you can balance a bunch of Agatha Christie novels on your arms, it doesn't mean you're a bookshelf."

"YES I AM. You'll never understand me!"

I'm a planetkin, specifically a uranuskin, so I'm actually entirely a celestial body in all ways but physically.

Google it, people really spout off this stuff.

In other news, I'm a human. But he'll if I could choose to be my fursona I probably would.

I am a human. I like being a human.

:|

I'm a human stuck in a fox body.

sergal239 said:
I am working to correct a group of people who have quite a big spot in the media

Just don't.

You're going to make an ass out of yourself and everybody else in the fandom.

sergal239 said:
a actuall find them very nice i watched a doco on them (i think im an animal) and they seem quite nice, in fact i think they are the closets thing to anthros we have on earth.

They are lunatics, just because the Human DNA contains a huge chunk of DNA also found in other species doesn't make them any less human, or any more than human, if you want to come from that direction.

This may come as a surprise but people shouldn't accept every brain fart as "truth".

Just because you may fly in a dream doesn't mean you can do so in real life, the same goes if you dream you're a damn hedgehog/bench/tree/cola bottle/Kim Jong Un/god chances are high that you simply aren't.

Well...

For some reason, I can't shake the notion that I am a short-haired, upright-walking, talking ape.
Don't tell anybody. I don't want people to know that I'm a freak...

I am the night!

No I don't think I'm part animal because that's most probably a symptom of a mental disorder of some kind.

With all respect, I don't think anyone wants to be related to this

P.D I'm a meat popsicle

i think that trying to deny what humans are and try to say that one was not meant to be a human, is to deny one's self and try to escape reality.

And saying that i'm now a chair. i'm no longer a human.

NoctemWerewolf said:
P.D I'm a meat popsicle

Love that movie. ^^

I don't want to be a furry, I just want to fuck one.

Y'all just don't understand me.
SpecialSnowflakin.

Abloo bloo bloo I'm a good fox :(

sergal239 said:
a actuall find them very nice i watched a doco on them (i think im an animal) and they seem quite nice, in fact i think they are the closets thing to anthros we have on earth. but this is not about them this is about us and what we think. who here thinks they are part animal. and who is here for the art, the friends, etc etc etc?

Instability does not mean evil, hostile, or bad. It is bad in ways, but the people can still be perfectly nice people.

If you wish to pose as an animal, that's fine and dandy, but keep it separate from your humanself. For example, I, "Tokoshoran Lansh," am a human, but I, "Furrin Gok," am a feline-dragon. Of course, the separation in my own aliases is more Safe-works and Not-Safe-works, but keep it as a character, not your actual personage.
In role-play, I'm more than happy to consider myself part or full animal, but in serious conversations, I would be relunctant to do so, because I know I'm fully human.

Peekaboo said:
burgerkin [...] people are mentally unstable

u fukin wot

how did this get from do you think your part animal to the theory of therians being nut jobs???

I am the cake.

sergal239 said:
how did this get from do you think your part animal to the theory of therians being nut jobs???

Therians? That's a bit different than what you first said.

A Therianthrope is someone who truly believes he is earthen animal (which is not to be confused with otherkin which is a person who believes he is perhaps a dragon or what not; still the same subject though). ome believe that when the animal dies its soul can harvest itself in another body at birth or that the souls merge with theirs

Believing your soul came from something else is fine and dandy, as long as you understand and can admit that now you are a Human, through and through, as far as the biologics are concerned.

While I don't identify with an animal through my spirit, I do have some unique feelings through it. The ability for souls or spirits to merge is definitely something I believe in, but a belief is just a belief, it does not make it fact. Those who cannot accept it, once again, have some mental instability, but this one is nothing compared to the otherkin.

Something to understand, Sergal, just about anything is a sign of some instability or another, that's what being a human is all about. We're flawed, imperfect creatures, showing our flaws all over the place.

sergal239 said:
how did this get from do you think your part animal to the theory of therians being nut jobs???

Oh no, don't get it wrong, therians aren't nutjobs, however, arguments such as the ones presented by the "otherkin" often go on the style of "In every plane except physical I'm X"
Have you ever heard of the phrase "Fuck you, I'm a dragon"? it came from a extensive response a otherkin person gave to another about him eating a diamond or something.

Tbat's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankin

Halite said:
I am the cake.

post #89642
       never forget

sergal239 said:
how did this get from do you think your part animal to the theory of therians being nut jobs???

Mainly because the belief that anybody here is anything else than human is kind of stupid in and of itself.

The only scientific answer to "Do you think you're part animal?" is "I share DNA sequences with other species and that's about it." but the believe that this 'makes' you part animal is ridiculous.

fuck you I'm a space marine

Lance_Armstrong said:
Tbat's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankin

...at least it's not a merkin. =P

Spess_Muhreen said:
fuck you I'm a space marine

Have my nonexistent forum upvote.

Ur dumb in the head if u think ur otherkin, parkourdude91 is a good example of this

I am a meat popsicle.

ippiki_ookami said:
I am a meat popsicle.

I thought you were a grumpcat with ladylegs.

NotMeNotYou said:
Mainly because the belief that anybody here is anything else than human is kind of stupid in and of itself.

The only scientific answer to "Do you think you're part animal?" is "I share DNA sequences with other species and that's about it." but the believe that this 'makes' you part animal is ridiculous.

mentally like a therian thinking your soul is part animal. ok ill try to put this is normal person terms. DO YOU THINK OF YOUR SELF AS SOME OTHER KIND OF THING IN A HUMAN BODY?!? YES OR NO! there that should sort this out.

I personally think I have more a Canine personality than that of an average human being. I like to chew on things. I get instant hyperactivity. ect.
I don't act like a canine, obviously. I walk on two legs, I speak english, I gain interest in game development and design. I poop in the big shiny bowl filled with my drinking water.
Nobody is part animal. Government + Science hides so much from us that none of us will probably ever be part animal. It's just a fact that were all gonna have to deal with.

So does anybody have a spare chew toy? jw.

I'm a space alien in a human body.
Don't worry, I come in peace.

Rayzr said:
I personally think I have more a Canine personality than that of an average human being. I like to chew on things. I get instant hyperactivity. ect.
I don't act like a canine, obviously. I walk on two legs, I speak english, I gain interest in game development and design. I poop in the big shiny bowl filled with my drinking water.
Nobody is part animal. Government + Science hides so much from us that none of us will probably ever be part animal. It's just a fact that were all gonna have to deal with.

So does anybody have a spare chew toy? jw.

again i dont mean physically.

I am the walrus goo goo g'joob.

Halite said:
I am the walrus goo goo g'joob.

Halite said:
I'm a space alien in a human body.
Don't worry, I come in peace.

Halite said:
I am the cake.

So, you're a space walrus made of cake named goo goo g'joob disguised as a human and wants peace?
Eh, I've heard stranger things.

edidaf said:
So, you're a space walrus made of cake named goo goo g'joob disguised as a human and wants peace?
Eh, I've heard stranger things.

What I am changes, depending on what I feel like being.
It's all about self determination.

They told me I could be whatever I wanted, so I became a sentient amoeba...

sergal239 said:
mentally like a therian thinking your soul is part animal. ok ill try to put this is normal person terms. DO YOU THINK OF YOUR SELF AS SOME OTHER KIND OF THING IN A HUMAN BODY?!? YES OR NO! there that should sort this out.

This is exactly why I said that you shouldn't open your mouth anywhere near anybody that has access to the media.

And my answer is still valid, just because these people think they are "non-human" in spirit doesn't mean they are.
This why it's classified as a mental disorder, albeit in most cases a benign one.

But to humor you, no. Obviously not.
Any answer besides that would worry me.

The gene splicing says yes.

With counting joke posts as "lol no", I counted 26/26 no's so far.

/thread

parasprite said:
With counting joke posts as "lol no", I counted 26/26 no's so far.

/thread

I dunno, I counted one yes from Rayzr. Despite joking around in it, he did make some valid, legitimate connections.
In the case of reincarnation, your soul becomes that of your new body, but that doesn't mean it can't carry over some traits. Connecting these traits to an animal and feeling it's right (even if you poke fun at it) is the definition of Therian.

I might have been an iguana in a past life. There's just something neat about seeing iguanas. However, as I am now, my body and mind are human, and my soul is a hybrid of human, human, and demon. Don't ask about the Demon.

sergal239 said:
DO YOU THINK OF YOUR SELF AS SOME OTHER KIND OF THING IN A HUMAN BODY?!? YES OR NO! there that should sort this out.

Well, like parasprite said, out of the people who had commented, either in joke or not, nobody thinks of oneself as something more than a human.

You see, since you said you are new, I want to clarify some points:

• Within the fandom are levels, range from people who honestly just like the art, to the ones who say "That's my fetish", to otherkin and fursuiters.

*Fursonas are in general (cases where people do belive they are the fursona do exist though), an online identity and character much like someone does a character on RPG like Dungeons & Dragons, World of Warcraft and similar.

• this are the "special cases" post #7074

edidaf said:
So, you're a space walrus made of cake named goo goo g'joob disguised as a human and wants peace?
Eh, I've heard stranger things.

yeah you have... FROM ME! so everyone would say the fandom is about 20 to 30% think they have an animal or other things soul and 70 to 80% say they are human and just like the art dressing up etc etc?

Halite said:
What I am changes, depending on what I feel like being.
It's all about self determination.

You're a shapeshifter!

sergal239 said:
yeah you have... FROM ME! so everyone would say the fandom is about 20 to 30% think they have an animal or other things soul and 70 to 80% say they are human and just like the art dressing up etc etc?

2 out of 26 people is most certainly not 20-30%.
You're looking at 7.7%, obtained from a way too small sample to give a definite answer on the matter, but I highly doubt that this percentage is going to get bigger.

This thread is going to give me an aneurysm at this rate.

sergal239 said:
yeah you have... FROM ME! so everyone would say the fandom is about 20 to 30% think they have an animal or other things soul and 70 to 80% say they are human and just like the art dressing up etc etc?

You'll have to do a Venn Diagram about the ones who like to dress up, the ones that only like art, the ones who have fursona, the ones who are just for porn, and so on

NoctemWerewolf said:
You'll have to do a Venn Diagram about the ones who like to dress up, the ones that only like art, the ones who have fursona, the ones who are just for porn, and so on

*looks at alex in a. are they really this thick? kind of way* all i wanted to know was how many of you think you are an animal or other thing in a humans body "wander if they will get it this time?" if they do ill kiss you "you kiss me anyway" hmm good point better start now *pounce* "EEP!" haha "haha"

sergal239 said:
*looks at alex in a. are they really this thick? kind of way* all i wanted to know was how many of you think you are an animal or other thing in a humans body "wander if they will get it this time?" if they do ill kiss you "you kiss me anyway" hmm good point better start now *pounce* "EEP!" haha "haha"

I'm sorry, but did that make any sense to you while you were typing it?

If I am what I eat, and I suck cocks, does that make me a dick?

Part of the problem here, if you identify as an otherkin and talk about having an "animal soul", you are dipping into the old materialism vs. spiritualism debate. There's no scientific evidence for a soul or whatever would make you an otherkin. So it is a faith issue. Except the major religions are mainstream and the otherkin are very fringe. So exposing this view to media attention will just attract ridicule rather than understanding.

Somewhere in the US there's a collection of high schools which have groups of teenagers who think they're wolves, or at least part wolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77sJT8O56E
I thought that was pretty interesting, so you might want to check that out.
As for me, in the real world I'm fully human, but I like to imagine my fursona as an anthro.

NotMeNotYou said:
2 out of 26 people is most certainly not 20-30%.
You're looking at 7.7%, obtained from a way too small sample to give a definite answer on the matter, but I highly doubt that this percentage is going to get bigger.

This thread is going to give me an aneurysm at this rate.

NMNY, you should take a break from this thread. You are in no way obligated to view every last little thing.

Halite said:
If I am what I eat, and I suck cocks, does that make me a dick?

My ponysona beleives it is a human.

sergal239 said:
*looks at alex in a. are they really this thick? kind of way* all i wanted to know was how many of you think you are an animal or other thing in a humans body "wander if they will get it this time?" if they do ill kiss you "you kiss me anyway" hmm good point better start now *pounce* "EEP!" haha "haha"

Why would you do that?

Furrin_Gok said:
NMNY, you should take a break from this thread. You are in no way obligated to view every last little thing.

no that's my job (unfortunately) because you all are making so little sense in this very simple topic.

sergal239 said:
no that's my job (unfortunately) because you all are making so little sense in this very simple topic.

Yeah, this right here isn't helping your case.

sergal239 said:

*looks at alex in a. are they really this thick? kind of way* all i wanted to know was how many of you think you are an animal or other thing in a humans body "wander if they will get it this time?" if they do ill kiss you "you kiss me anyway" hmm good point better start now *pounce* "EEP!" haha "haha"

This comment is pretty rude and condescending. To be honest, there's absolutely no reason we should take this topic seriously, especially afer a comment like that. If you want people to take you seriously, act like an adult.

JoeX said:
Yeah, this right here isn't helping your case.

This comment is pretty rude and condescending. To be honest, there's absolutely no reason we should take this topic seriously, especially afer a comment like that. If you want people to take you seriously, act like an adult.

well i pretty much got robed of my childhood so im just making up lost time. but seriously how hard is it to give a simple answer to do you think your part animal? (not physically for crying out loud)

sergal239 said:
well i pretty much got robed of my childhood so im just making up lost time. but seriously how hard is it to give a simple answer to do you think your part animal? (not physically for crying out loud)

I'm entirely animal.

1. This isn't a poll. I hope you eventually realize the results of this thread can in no way be viewed as a poll. At best, you could be conducting an "expert interview" (but there's no way in hell of this being that, either), which would then require heavy scrutiny of your interview methodology and personal credentials to earn credibility for your results-gathering and interpretation of said results.

2. You will never get enough responses from this forum to have statistically relevant data. I think 5000 responses might be worthy of consideration, but let's set the first milestone at 500 responses from different individuals just to prove that you are serious and capable.

3. The results from this online community will likely vary significantly compared to others, such as Fur Affinity or Inkbunny. If you don't canvass several communities, especially non-furry communities as a control group, then your data will not be properly representative of the furry spectrum and will have reduced significance, no matter how many legitimate responses you get here.

4. This thread makes a lot of sense to me. Most of the responses are not serious, varying from mocking to indifference to explanations on why this is a bad idea. A few responses are genuine.

5. Your opening post was okay, but as your decorum continues to decline, you will continue losing your audience's trust on multiple levels. Based on this currently unfolding example, one could easily extrapolate that you, with the same mindset, will undoubtedly do more harm than good for your cause if you approach a media outlet, who may amplify your message a thousandfold.

6. Continuing from #5, the model spokesperson in your position must be an ambassador for the group you represent. To achieve your goal, I wager you must demonstrate inexhaustible eloquence, articulation, awareness, and candor. If you don't respond to criticism with interested concern while radiating a smile at other times, then I foretell that your mission is doomed from the start. If you can't speak and otherwise present yourself well, then you'll probably end up perpetuating the stereotypes you wish to dispel.

I shouldn't be considered informed, much less an expert, on the issues I've raised; however, this all should fall under the scope of common sense and easy knowledge anyway. Heck, I don't even have a dog in this fight, and I can only guess my reasons for posting at all.

As for my answer, no. If I were to fully explain why not, I might only make you angry if I haven't already, so I won't.

abadbird said:
Points

That's certainly a professional approach to this. However, these forums, in and of themselves, are hardly a reliably serious location.
Sergal, a shortening of the post is as follows: Keep a stoic outlook, and respond as such. Do not role-play, do not roughhouse, do not joke around. Your sudden insistance on writing as two persons shows that you are not serious.

sergal239 said:
well i pretty much got robed of my childhood so im just making up lost time. but seriously how hard is it to give a simple answer to do you think your part animal? (not physically for crying out loud)

"Robbed" of your childhood? Do tell. But all the same, keep your "Making up for lost time" to your own time, not ours, please.

sergal239 said:
no that's my job (unfortunately) because you all are making so little sense in this very simple topic.

If you find that people aren't making sense to you, then perhaps it's not as simple as it appears to be. You asked a question and did not very fluently clarify what you meant. It was only when you finally mentioned the word Therian that I did some research into what you meant and defined it for the others; this was my doing, not yours. NMNY is not here to try and define things, but rather to come in and point out that you are making absolutely no sense. He even started to get a migraine as you failed to get the point!

abadbird said:
If you asked, you might find some Amerikins in this thread.

I'm an asiakin trapped in an amerikin!

Furrin_Gok said:
I dunno, I counted one yes from Rayzr.

Hooray! +1 to me!

Furrin_Gok said:

"Robbed" of your childhood? Do tell.

short version? third sibling was born when I was 10, father is (yes IS as in STILL IS) useless had to give up my early middle and late teens to do everything he was suppose to do. but i am not just using this thread here i have more on other sites and chat rooms and *attempting* to keep track. but like i said im just using this to get a fair idea and in NO way going to say its hard evidence.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Part of the problem here, if you identify as an otherkin and talk about having an "animal soul", you are dipping into the old materialism vs. spiritualism debate. There's no scientific evidence for a soul or whatever would make you an otherkin. So it is a faith issue. Except the major religions are mainstream and the otherkin are very fringe. So exposing this view to media attention will just attract ridicule rather than understanding.

Just in case you missed it.