Just as a general idea, P.J do a pretty good thing, and do a pretty good job of it as well.

But I just found out anywhere between 6-15 of these "decoys" Are in E621 forums/PM boards right now. And have already caused trouble for 4 of the users here. Apparently only one of those 4 cases was someone actually attempting to contact an underage person in order to engage in sexual contact. The other 3, were simply doing RP's involving a character under the legal age. Which apparently you can be questioned for by the local police if they report it.

So we have 3 users who were doing just simple RP's, stuff I'm sure everyone on this site has done at least once. And they get in trouble with local police, whal one case is actually meaningful and fulfills the goals of P.J

Anyone got a comment on this? Seems like they're just being generally shitty by reporting people for RP'ing on a PM system.

Cutedementia said:
Just as a general idea, P.J do a pretty good thing, and do a pretty good job of it as well.

But I just found out anywhere between 6-15 of these "decoys" Are in E621 forums/PM boards right now. And have already caused trouble for 4 of the users here. Apparently only one of those 4 cases was someone actually attempting to contact an underage person in order to engage in sexual contact. The other 3, were simply doing RP's involving a character under the legal age. Which apparently you can be questioned for by the local police if they report it.

So we have 3 users who were doing just simple RP's, stuff I'm sure everyone on this site has done at least once. And they get in trouble with local police, whal one case is actually meaningful and fulfills the goals of P.J

Anyone got a comment on this? Seems like they're just being generally shitty by reporting people for RP'ing on a PM system.

Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

Furrin_Gok said:
Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

So a fictional character. (Such as say Scootaloo from MLP) Featured in a picture or a rp as her proper age (Which is around 12-15) Is just flat out child pornography in your book?

Sorry bud, fictional characters don't have real ages. Hence why there are pictures on this site where the age of a character can be displayed as low as 6 years old and still be featured in graphically sexual images.

Cutedementia said:
So a fictional character. (Such as say Scootaloo from MLP) Featured in a picture or a rp as her proper age (Which is around 12-15) Is just flat out child pornography in your book?

Sorry bud, fictional characters don't have real ages. Hence why there are pictures on this site where the age of a character can be displayed as low as 6 years old and still be featured in graphically sexual images.

If their age is stated, then there's no way you can claim they aren't children. A lot of works don't list an age, or the level of youthfulness, which leaves it open to viewer interpretation. These works can be considered legal, but you may still find yourself questioned over it. It's quite important to make sure that those who commit such crimes are found and punished, and the police are doing what they can to track them down.

Furrin_Gok said:
Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

It depends on where you live.

Furrin_Gok said:
If their age is stated, then there's no way you can claim they aren't children. A lot of works don't list an age, or the level of youthfulness, which leaves it open to viewer interpretation. These works can be considered legal, but you may still find yourself questioned over it. It's quite important to make sure that those who commit such crimes are found and punished, and the police are doing what they can to track them down.

Now tho at the current time I don't have the -time- to go find the picture at the moment. I vidily remember finding a picture on this site where the age was clearly stated as "At 6 years old:" followed by an image of a small child being gang banged.

Now tho I do agree anyone who's showing up at some 11 year olds door to fuck them is out of line. I don't think RP'ing as two 16 year old ponies fucking in a back alley should be punishable by law. That's just stupid.

The police have said before just because you RP in a chatroom sexual things with a minor, does not mean you will get in trouble for it. If you send photos, suggest a meeting or even make extreme sexual references to that persons body and not just the character in the RP. You could get in trouble.

What P.J is doing here is taking RP's that have gone on harmlessly for years, and turning them into trouble with public law enforcement.

In fact of those 3 cases mentioned, not even a single charge, fine, or anything has been laid upon the people who were called out. They were just let go after some questioning. (Of course P.J provides transcripts so it's not like they don't know what happened in the conversation)

It's not just to "catch a predator" anymore, they're interrupting peoples lives and giving them a hard time for no good reason. Honestly if you ever RP'ed as a 17 year old, and had to explain that sexual rp to the cops how would you feel? Pretty embarrassed right? Yea, especially since you won't even get into any real trouble it's just them tossing power around.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

On topic. No. This isn't Dateline and you aren't Chris Hansen.

Furrin_Gok said:
Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

I'm guessing you're the sort of person who thinks that shooting people in an online shooter game also turns you into a trained killer. LMAO.

I don't RP on here, but thanks for the heads-up, OP. Even if it is only to get me a chuckle at mental midgets who think: fictional imaginary abused children =! real child molestation evil-doing.

Ozelot said:
I don't RP on here, but thanks for the heads-up, OP.

Yea it was mostly just for the warning that some new users should be watched a little more closely then normal.

Cutedementia said:
I don't think RP'ing as two 16 year old ponies fucking in a back alley should be punishable by law. That's just stupid.

16? Yeah, that's rediculous. My opinion is that 16 is the turning point. It's creepy, sure, but I would honestly be a bit surprised if the police said it was fine.

Cutedementia said:
The police have said before just because you RP in a chatroom sexual things with a minor, does not mean you will get in trouble for it. If you send photos, suggest a meeting or even make extreme sexual references to that persons body and not just the character in the RP. You could get in trouble.

This is a thing? Seriously? Can I get a link to the statement?

Cutedementia said:
What P.J is doing here is taking RP's that have gone on harmlessly for years, and turning them into trouble with public law enforcement.

In fact of those 3 cases mentioned, not even a single charge, fine, or anything has been laid upon the people who were called out. They were just let go after some questioning. (Of course P.J provides transcripts so it's not like they don't know what happened in the conversation)

I must have misunderstood. Is PJ a person, or a group?

Cutedementia said:
It's not just to "catch a predator" anymore, they're interrupting peoples lives and giving them a hard time for no good reason. Honestly if you ever RP'ed as a 17 year old, and had to explain that sexual rp to the cops how would you feel? Pretty embarrassed right? Yea, especially since you won't even get into any real trouble it's just them tossing power around.

If they actually did say it's fine, then yeah, that's just ridiculous.

Ko-san said:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

On topic. No. This isn't Dateline and you aren't Chris Hansen.

Uh, what? I know what and who, but how does that relate to this thread?

Ozelot said:
I'm guessing you're the sort of person who thinks that shooting people in an online shooter game also turns you into a trained killer. LMAO.

Nah. I said the production of child pornography is illegal, not that making it means you want to rape children. Sorry if I was unclear on that.

Cutedementia said:
Yea it was mostly just for the warning that some new users should be watched a little more closely then normal.

See, that, I can definitely stand by. Keep watch, and, if the police are saying the RP in and of itself is fine, only report them if they're breaking those rules you mentioned.

Furrin_Gok said:
Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

No it isn't.

Furrin_Gok said:
16? Yeah, that's rediculous. My opinion is that 16 is the turning point. It's creepy, sure, but I would honestly be a bit surprised if the police said it was fine.

Most of these references and quotes are taken from the show "To Catch A Predator" They work exclusively with the P.J (Perverted Justice) Team which is the team that sent people here.

One of the officers involved in a case stated. "We can't arrest them for fantasy, so the roleplays are legal. But the moment it becomes a reference to that minors body, or a reference to real life actions and or sending pictures/videos of oneself nude. It becomes a crime" (I no longer have this episode with me to show you)

Furrin_Gok said:
I must have misunderstood. Is PJ a person, or a group?

Uh, what? I know what and who, but how does that relate to this thread?

P.J stands for Perverted Justice, a group that enters online chat rooms and convinces men/women above the age of consent to break the law by sending nude pictures, or coming to the homes of children reported to be younger then the age of consent.

Normally this would be a good thing! But they have changed their power from being. "If you play to fuck a minor, we're going to arrest you" To "If you roleplay fucking a minor, which is pure fantasy and never really happened. We're going to get you arrested for about 7 hours whal they question you for no good reason then let you go again"

Furrin_Gok said:
only report them if they're breaking those rules you mentioned.

That is the main problem I'm having with P.J right now, they're on here reporting users for things that ARE NOT ILLEGAL. In the name of cheap "look what we did" stats of "We got 4 people down in our first week!" Only one of which actually broke the law. The other three were reduced to sitting at a interrogation table whal a respectable police officer read aloud. "Then I Insert graphic and detailed sexual actions toward a vixen "

Halite said:
No it isn't.

Could you find an article of some sort that proves this as fact? No I don't doubt what you're saying is true, but I bet this guy will so having proof would be nice

It has come upon the hour of 5am, so I will be headed off to sleep now. \

Try not to fight amongst each other whal I'm gone. Don't want to miss the cat fight.

Do you mind typing "while" the way it was intended to? I always do a double take on why the hell you would use 'whale' in a sentence like that.

I was roleplaying my OC inquisitor purging an underage heretic and the FBI busted down my door, posting from prison now.
Thanks Dateline NBC

Furrin_Gok said:
Roleplaying underaged characters is still producing child pornography, which is illegal. This is a serious crime, and does, in fact, deserve to be reported.

If it doesn't involve real children who actually exist, then it's not "producing child pornography".

Cutedementia said:
Could you find an article of some sort that proves this as fact? No I don't doubt what you're saying is true, but I bet this guy will so having proof would be nice

I'll do better.
Law:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252

Note where is says "visual depiction".
Text isn't even close to a visual depiction.

Where are ya getting this info from? Been a while since I saw Chris Hansens funny fun-time adventures, was PJ a international group? Or just North American?

Halite said:
I'll do better.
Law:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252

Note where is says "visual depiction".
Text isn't even close to a visual depiction.

+1

Peekaboo said:
Where are ya getting this info from? Been a while since I saw Chris Hansens funny fun-time adventures, was PJ a international group? Or just North American?

I'm sorry I've been asked not to reveal that source. And as far as I know there won't be anything going on with Chris and his show for some time yet, tho it remains a possibility in the future.

PJ was founded in the US as a group of unpaid people doing this, they quickly hooked up with Chris and his team and started working with the police. Ever since they have actively worked with police forces in nearly every state but tend to focus on going from state to state.

Cutedementia said:
I'm sorry I've been asked not to reveal that source. And as far as I know there won't be anything going on with Chris and his show for some time yet, tho it remains a possibility in the future.

Guessing it's a admin/mod then.
Would be hilarious if there was a "To Catch A Predator" about E6.

Peekaboo said:
Guessing it's a admin/mod then.
Would be hilarious if there was a "To Catch A Predator" about E6.

No one from this site, it was a contact elsewhere.

I'm Seven and what is all of this? Some people are just baiting other people to tell them whether they like/enjoy child/underage porn via roleplaying?

Xch3l said:
I'm Seven and what is all of this? Some people are just baiting other people to tell them whether they like/enjoy child/underage porn via roleplaying?

Not entrapment though because of the legal loophole that they aren't police.
Of course the fact that they work with police really makes them an agent of law enforcement so entrapment rules should apply, but for some reason people stop caring about the laws when they offer fairness or protection to those labeled as "pedophiles".
Hence sex offender registrations somehow exist, despite being unconstitutional.

Xch3l said:
I'm Seven and what is all of this? Some people are just baiting other people to tell them whether they like/enjoy child/underage porn via roleplaying?

They will hang around in chatrooms posing as underage girls. They will do a bit of RP and dirty talk, then "prove" - "intent" To engage in sexual acts with a minor then get you arrested.

Okay I'm lost. What forums? What PM boards? We don't even have PM boards. It's not happening in our forums. It's not happening in the IRC. It's not happening in the comments or blips. Nothing's been reported to any of the staff. No one in the IRC has contacted any of us. If anyone's gotten in trouble with law enforcement for unlawful activity on our site the staff would certainly know about it. Not to mention if any organization working with law enforcement were doing their "operations" on this site, they would have at least notified the site owner, which I'm assuming hasn't happened. I'm also going to assume you don't have any proof of any of this, and will regard this as completely bogus until you can prove otherwise.

ippiki_ookami said:
Okay I'm lost. What forums? What PM boards? We don't even have PM boards. It's not happening in our forums. It's not happening in the IRC. It's not happening in the comments or blips. Nothing's been reported to any of the staff. No one in the IRC has contacted any of us. If anyone's gotten in trouble with law enforcement for unlawful activity on our site the staff would certainly know about it. Not to mention if any organization working with law enforcement were doing their "operations" on this site, they would have at least notified the site owner, which I'm assuming hasn't happened. I'm also going to assume you don't have any proof of any of this, and will regard this as completely bogus until you can prove otherwise.

The P.J group is not technically speaking law enforcement in any way. They just report the "crimes" to the police whenever they come across one. As far as I know the only time they actually worked hand in hand with the police was with Dateline doing their "To Catch A Predator" show.

I was never given the usernames of the people who got in trouble here. And when I said "PM boards" I was saying that in reference to any site that may have some sort of group messaging system.

P.J is going around on the PM system you have here. Which means manually contacting users by PM. It's an inefficient system, which is why I'm told they won't be sticking around long.

At any rate, I'm simply making this to warn people that some new users might be just trying to get you in trouble for no good reason.

Trying to be helpful, don't bite my head off for it.

ippiki_ookami said:
Okay I'm lost. What forums? What PM boards? We don't even have PM boards. It's not happening in our forums. It's not happening in the IRC. It's not happening in the comments or blips. Nothing's been reported to any of the staff. No one in the IRC has contacted any of us. If anyone's gotten in trouble with law enforcement for unlawful activity on our site the staff would certainly know about it. Not to mention if any organization working with law enforcement were doing their "operations" on this site, they would have at least notified the site owner, which I'm assuming hasn't happened. I'm also going to assume you don't have any proof of any of this, and will regard this as completely bogus until you can prove otherwise.

I think it's kind of naive of you to think that law enforcement always gives some kind of courtesy call letting people know they are working to catch people on your site. Police have all kinds of ways and techniques of getting around this sort of thing, and in this case it's especially easy because there is a volunteer civilian organization doing all the work for them.

Welcome to the police state. If the police gave notice to every person they were going to do a sting on, they wouldn't get any busts, and that means they wouldn't be able to fill all those chairs and rooms in the private prison industry. What fun would that be?

I'm honestly more amazed each day that thought crime isn't a thing yet. Although it kind of is in many instances. Thanks Obama!

Cutedementia said:
The P.J group is not technically speaking law enforcement in any way. They just report the "crimes" to the police whenever they come across one. As far as I know the only time they actually worked hand in hand with the police was with Dateline doing their "To Catch A Predator" show.

I was never given the usernames of the people who got in trouble here. And when I said "PM boards" I was saying that in reference to any site that may have some sort of group messaging system.

P.J is going around on the PM system you have here. Which means manually contacting users by PM. It's an inefficient system, which is why I'm told they won't be sticking around long.

At any rate, I'm simply making this to warn people that some new users might be just trying to get you in trouble for no good reason.

Trying to be helpful, don't bite my head off for it.

Well yeah.

But do you have any proof?

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well yeah.

But do you have any proof?

My source has asked not to be revealed in any way.

Cutedementia said:
My source has asked not to be revealed in any way.

Well then you have no presentable proof.

Cutedementia said:
My source has asked not to be revealed in any way.

Hmm, so we have to believe you based on fear and faith...
Who should I give my credit card info to again?

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well then you have no presentable proof.

Why do I need any proof? I'm just saying be careful who you talk to for the next few months...

Moon_Moon said:
Hmm, so we have to believe you based on fear and faith...
Who should I give my credit card info to again?

I'm not asking for anything, I'm just informing everyone...

Cutedementia said:
Why do I need any proof? I'm just saying be careful who you talk to for the next few months...

Well it's common to actually give proof to prove that you're not bullshitting us.

I'm with Ippiki and Moon_Moon here on this one.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Well it's common to actually give proof to prove that you're not bullshitting us.

I'm with Ippiki and Moon_Moon here on this one.

Why does it even matter, just whatever forget it and go back to browsing your furry porn in peace. The ones who need the information now have it, don't need to argue with you about it.

http://www.perverted-justice.com they basically say they infiltrate chat rooms and forums to try to flush out pedos.

Randomly selecting users via chatrooms, forums, ETC. seems so inneficient, to be honest, I don't think that throwing it to luck is gonna lead them to success.
Also, I don't want to be mean, but PICS or it didn't happen (in e621)

NotMeNotYou said:
http://www.perverted-justice.com they basically say they infiltrate chat rooms and forums to try to flush out pedos.

Some funny commentary on there. Recommended reading list: This site with "commentary" on.

+1

Cutedementia said:
So we have 3 users who were doing just simple RP's, stuff I'm sure everyone on this site has done at least once.

What are you even talking about. What RPs, where?

There's no roleplay here. It's frowned upon. Doing it on the forum or in the comments tends to get you banned quickly. And I doubt there's much of it going on in the PMs either, since there's so many well-known sites and games that actually welcome that kind of activity.