Topic: Why I am convinced this website is very user unfriendly

Posted under General

I, like most of you, am an average user who adds helpful tags and uploads works they want to share. I do not want drama, I want room for improvement

And I can't help but point out that this platform feels it's more designed to troll others and spread toxic behavior both from users and mods.

Uploads
To begin with, contributors will receive negative tickets for something as simply as uploading collections of works that a specific mod feels it does not make the quality standard. What even is the "quality standard?" In my opinion it's so subjective and judgmental but that is not even my main point. When uploading, I look at the works the mods themselves uploaded and reference the standard from there because they are the ones setting the standard for the website. And once in a while the mods themselves approve or even upload works that are much less developed than the works they deleted. I draw this judgment from the aspect that certain works will have less developed shading, textures, proportions, colors, expressions, etc, and sometimes literal works that do not have any color or shading or even line art that's in a wip progress/unfinished is allowed.
My point is that how do we set the bar so high when at random moments it can also be set so low at the convenience of privileged users?

Comments
Secondly, the commenting guidelines are absolutely broken to a point where commenting is something everyone should not do. Personally I think making creepy comments a bit gross as I'm more of someone who likes their kinks a bit more SFW, but in the creepy comment's defenses, doesn't the context matter? For example if someone were to draw a safe rated Pokemon picture here and a user makes a sexually explicit comment, then yes I see how that would make people uncomfortable as that kind of behavior is toxic and is not relevant to the work. However if that same comment is used on an explicit adult rated work, then how is that even wrong? I mean all they are doing is describing what's happening in the work using words instead of depicting it. I also don't see how using first person pronouns instead of telling a story third person will all of a sudden make something creepier. A lot of NSFW works have descriptions in them that tell an adult rated story, all of a sudden writing that in comment form to contribute and expand to that respective content warrants a ticket as negative behavior? If the mods don't know how to handle a commenting system then maybe it may just be best to not have comments in the first place, just completely remove the function which I am not for but that just might be more practical. So do you want comments or not? Plus commenting is never awarded, only ignored or punished.

Negative behavior and trolling
I am all for regulating comments to prevent toxic behavior even if that only sounds good on paper and not practice but I really feel that this system is heavily abused. Once in a while I see users saying why they are frustrated with the users around them and the mods in a (slightly) aggressive manner but instead of giving these people an explanation or closure in a professional manner, they are either completely ignored or talked back in an equally or more trolling comment. A lot of the time these people will get disciplinary action not because they broke a rule but they simply hurt a privileged user's feelings or disagreed with them.
And why is there cub porn allowed on this website? Users can get punished for making racist and homophobic comments but this website tolerates swasticas and confederate flags along with CP? Lets also not ignore the anti-religion artworks that have extremely xenophobic views. So you can't say that (insert user) is a piece of sh#t but you're allowed to draw a political picture of someone doing that to an entire ethnic group of people? And no using the "gore is allowed so (insert) is allowed" argument is not valid because gore does not discriminate and is enjoyed in numerous entertainment medias unlike literal child porn/harm. CP regardless of media is (or can potentially be) illegal and abusive material and racism and xenophobia is discriminatory (which the guidelines already say they do not tolerate on that). Yet why do we only worry about the little things on this platform?

barefootslavedragon said: I do not want drama

Somehow, I do not believe you.

barefootslavedragon said:
To begin with, contributors will receive negative tickets for something as simply as uploading collections of works that a specific mod feels it does not make the quality standard.

Citation needed.
I've never seen anyone get a red bar for uploading stuff that does not fit the quality standard.

You got a neutral feedback for spamming the same message seven times.

barefootslavedragon said:
What even is the "quality standard?" In my opinion it's so subjective and judgmental but that is not even my main point.

Your uploads were deleted not due to failure to meet the artistic standards (those exist too, but for the bad digitization of a traditional media.
In other words, those were photos of paintings. We prefer high-quality scans, if possible.

bitwolfy said:
Somehow, I do not believe you.

interesting. Somehow, this is about you and not the entirety of improvement. You do you. This is exactly what I mean by mods get defensive and refuse criticism as if constructively is an attack. And even if for some reason you feel I am being "disrespectful", I do not see such a rule like that for such thought policing but I'll apologize in advance

bitwolfy said:
Citation needed.
I've never seen anyone get a red bar for uploading stuff that does not fit the quality standard.

You got a neutral feedback for spamming the same message seven times.

Your uploads were deleted not due to failure to meet the artistic standards (those exist too, but for the bad digitization of a traditional media.
In other words, those were photos of paintings. We prefer high-quality scans, if possible.

Source:

"bitwolfy said:
This appears to be a 87% match to post #1456510, based on the similar image search: https://e621.net/iqdb_queries?post_id=2633626

yes it was deleted before at the explanation that it "does not meet quality standards" despite the mods who deleted this post artworks with much less detail.
https://e621.net/posts/2629380?q=user%3AMairo

Also that this is a traditional artwork

I HIGHLY disagree with the choice that was made 3 years ago and believe it should be repealed. thanks
(ps, sorry for duplicate replies if these are annoying)"

This is what I wrote. I then asked 2 different mods and got no response. Allow me to clarify myself. I wasn't "spamming", I was replying to every one of your comments if in case someone else were stopping by and seeing the comments to have full context of what was going on. As far as I can remember you wrote the same reply too. To begin with I thought the choice of deleting was not justified as I wanted a reappeal and they received positive feedback from others until they were deleted. I thought the choice was rash and maybe a different opinion of mods might provide a better/alternative perspective.

but for the bad digitization of a traditional media.
In other words, those were photos of paintings. We prefer high-quality scans, if possible.

I thought those were good quality scans though...

I also took a look at my feedback and realized the negative one was removed which I had not realized before as I was on -1 earlier which I guess is nice *shrugs*

barefootslavedragon said:
interesting. Somehow, this is about you and not the entirety of improvement. You do you. This is exactly what I mean by mods get defensive and refuse criticism as if constructively is an attack. And even if for some reason you feel I am being "disrespectful", I do not see such a rule like that for such thought policing but I'll apologize in advance

?!?

I just said that writing huge forum posts, telling everyone how upset you are that you got a neutral record, is a strange way to show that you do not want drama.
I never claimed that it's about me?.. Or that you are being disrespectful?

barefootslavedragon said:
This is what I wrote. I then asked 2 different mods and got no response. Allow me to clarify myself. I wasn't "spamming", I was replying to every one of your comments if in case someone else were stopping by and seeing the comments to have full context of what was going on. As far as I can remember you wrote the same reply too. To begin with I thought the choice of deleting was not justified as I wanted a reappeal and they received positive feedback from others until they were deleted. I thought the choice was rash and maybe a different opinion of mods might provide a better/alternative perspective.

I was not writing the same reply.
I run a script that tracks down duplicate uploads and flags them. The comments I left were notes for the staff members, justifying my flags - each of those includes a link to the original post, and a link to the reverse image search showing that the two posts are very similar, and a percent score that indicates how closely they match. These comments usually get hidden from public view after the corresponding flag gets resolved, but I keep them up if someone responds to them.

You didn't have to reply to every single one of those, though. Appealing a deletion is not done through the comments - you have to talk to the staff member that deleted the post. If that fails, you can escalate it to NotMeNotYou, the head admin. Simply uploading the image again and hoping that they get through this time is definitely not the way to go.

bitwolfy said:

You didn't have to reply to every single one of those, though. Appealing a deletion is not done through the comments - you have to talk to the staff member that deleted the post. If that fails, you can escalate it to NotMeNotYou, the head admin. Simply uploading the image again and hoping that they get through this time is definitely not the way to go.

Ok thanks for clarifying that. But again it's not about the feedback. But to be fair it was more about how this website tolerated works that had CP, racism, and xenophobia but for some reason didn't tolerate those who said things that were less problematic. Like someone saying "ur mom ghey" gets you punished but posting Ben Garrison's garbage with pepes doesn't. I totally understand there is a kink for SS uniforms but there are some picture like this: https://e621.net/posts/2290987 that say otherwise that send an ugly message. I'm also extremely surprised that comments like this: https://e621.net/posts/1332561#comment-3485665 can get positive fraise despite talking about an alt right conspiracy about the "great replacement." I think where I'm getting at is our comment standards are kinda all over the place and I don't think I can blame the mods for that one but as I said earlier that there is room for improvement

Hi there, fellow average user! I do the same thing as you, and so far I don't have any problems in this site whatsoever.

barefootslavedragon said:
And I can't help but point out that this platform feels it's more designed to troll others and spread toxic behavior both from users and mods.

I disagree. Trolls are the only ones that spread toxic behaviors here, not this simple and easy-to-understand platform.

Uploads
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Neutral first; if they keep doing that bad behavior then it will be Negative. I'm with you for not understanding the mods' "quality standard", but they will never ever review it based simply on their "feelings". Also, I think maybe you also looked at their old posts (5+ years ago?) that have been grandfathered; those posts are based on the old uploading guidelines, and not to be considered a standard for the new guidelines.

Comments
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This is a furry archive site. Those kinds of comments you said here belong to art gallery sites that you (probably) already know. I'm already sick of users complaining about the Creepy Comments rule (and the whole commenting guidelines), but I exempt you since you are a fellow average user... or not. I do agree on giving award to users with genuinely good comments, but for now since a lot of users are still whining about commenting on this site, I think it will be almost impossible.

Negative behavior and trolling
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It's already hard to talk to frustrated users professionally, since it can now sounds like, and might possibly are, a trollbait. In my experience, whenever I see this type of comment that is obviously completely unrelated to a post, I just facepalm, report them, hope they calm down sooner or later, and move on.

Finally...

And why is there cub porn allowed on this website? Users can get punished for making racist and homophobic comments but this website tolerates swasticas and confederate flags along with CP? Lets also not ignore the anti-religion artworks that have extremely xenophobic views. So you can't say that (insert user) is a piece of sh#t but you're allowed to draw a political picture of someone doing that to an entire ethnic group of people? And no using the "gore is allowed so (insert) is allowed" argument is not valid because gore does not discriminate and is enjoyed in numerous entertainment medias unlike literal child porn/harm. CP regardless of media is (or can potentially be) illegal and abusive material and racism and xenophobia is discriminatory (which the guidelines already say they do not tolerate on that). Yet why do we only worry about the little things on this platform?

At this point, you are not an average user anymore, and are now starting to spread toxic behavior here: becoming a troll. I doubt you understand the professionalism that other users here have said to you, but I still hope you have a good day.

barefootslavedragon said:
interesting. Somehow, this is about you and not the entirety of improvement. You do you. This is exactly what I mean by mods get defensive and refuse criticism

Bitwolfy isn't a mod, he's a normal user with some additional privileges due to proving they're contribution to the site.

versperus said: Bitwolfy isn't a mod, he's a normal user with some additional privileges due to proving they're contribution to the site.

That is true, I apologize if I made it seem otherwise.
Not trying to backseat moderate, just doing my best to help out with what I can.

barefootslavedragon said:
Ok thanks for clarifying that. But again it's not about the feedback. But to be fair it was more about how this website tolerated works that had CP, racism, and xenophobia but for some reason didn't tolerate those who said things that were less problematic. Like someone saying "ur mom ghey" gets you punished but posting Ben Garrison's garbage with pepes doesn't. I totally understand there is a kink for SS uniforms but there are some picture like this: https://e621.net/posts/2290987 that say otherwise that send an ugly message. I'm also extremely surprised that comments like this: https://e621.net/posts/1332561#comment-3485665 can get positive fraise despite talking about an alt right conspiracy about the "great replacement." I think where I'm getting at is our comment standards are kinda all over the place and I don't think I can blame the mods for that one but as I said earlier that there is room for improvement

The thing is, you can easily blacklist posts that you find objectionable. Sure, sometimes things fall through due to poor tagging, but overall, the blacklist will filter out 99% of content like that.
However, you cannot do the same thing with comments. And since it's unlikely that people will remain civil of their own accord, the staff has to give out records for insults, creepy behavior, trolling, and so on.

bitwolfy said:
That is true, I apologize if I made it seem otherwise.
Not trying to backseat moderate, just doing my best to help out with what I can.

You didn't, I think they just assumed you're staff due to having a different title.

Why is so confusing to people that art and comments are held on separate standards? Art is art, and usually should not be censored, especially on a site wanting to archive furry art. Despite what people are like nowadays.

Comments are just some person on the internet, nothing of value is there, and has to follow societies rules and norms more.

Use a blacklist, complain about stuff you could avoid less

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