The shit that gets approved by the mods here is fucking abhorrent. Never in my life have I seen such horrible shit being tollerated. There is literally porn of children and people being baked alive in a goddamn oven as they scream in agony, and anyone who calls out the degenerates behind these posts out is somehow "kinkshaming". You people need to know the difference between a kink and a mental illness.

the fiction is fiction, it can't hurt you

Artists have been making stuff like this and being displayed in galleries for hundreds of years, but apparently people only started to get offended by it after it became digital rather than some paint on a canvas.

welcome to the internet

be careful, you'll get mad if you find something weird that gives you a boner.

Let me introduce you to something called the Blacklist.
Here is also a list of blacklist suggestions for stuff you may not like.

I would also recommend stopping with the comments on telling people to "be put in a mental institute" and that they "needs a shotgun to the face".

I was gonna' sit this one out but

strikerman said:
fiction is fiction

Please consider a class on history and/or media analysis. Fiction has had a literal impact on society, opinions, and norms. I am extremely against the presence of porn of child characters on here but for the sake of my own sanity I am not going to continue opening that can of worms.

Understand that fiction has had a myriad impact on how societal cultures develop, perceive norms, and act. South Park, touted as "politically neutral" is rife with bigoted characters whose acts and depictions have actually fueled racist rhetoric. Old Looney Toons cartoons were riddled with racist depictions, some of which used to help fuel the war effort in WW2. Literally every piece of antisemetic media from the same period.

Not to lump you in with people, but I find the occasional member of the "fiction is fiction" crowds will then also tout about the excessive "liberalism" in recent media with lighter themes - acceptance, friendship, charity, the mere act of being queer - and how it's "polluting our youth." This is also arguably a region of fiction affecting reality. It's not all evilness and nasty shit.

Drawing back to the actual topic, I do recommend blacklisting it. It's what I do, but because not everyone tags things as "aged_up" (or even "young" for that matter) shit still slips through the cracks.

EDIT: I'm now aware of OP's conduct and, oh no. I'm not condoning that behavior by taking their side on this topic, I promise.

tripwyre said:
Please consider a class on history and/or media analysis. Fiction has had a literal impact on society, opinions, and norms.

Watching murder on tv all day every day is not a problem, but fictional pixels (that are far less common) somehow are.

Lets ban everything...actually lets remove brains or at least capability to think because there are degenerate humans.

aobird said:
Watching murder on tv all day every day is not a problem, but fictional pixels (that are far less common) somehow are.

Lets ban everything...actually lets remove brains or at least capability to think because there are degenerate humans.

I do love how folks keep whining when I point out fiction is fiction with "bUt LoOk aT hOw It AfFeCtS sOcIeTy".
Anyone who actually "acts on" fiction was going to do what they were going to do anyway, or are we back to blaming KMFDM and Doom for Columbine again?

aobird said:
Watching murder on tv all day every day is not a problem, but fictional pixels (that are far less common) somehow are.

Lets ban everything...actually lets remove brains or at least capability to think because there are degenerate humans.

Please actually read my post.

votp said:
I do love how folks keep whining when I point out fiction is fiction with "bUt LoOk aT hOw It AfFeCtS sOcIeTy".
Anyone who actually "acts on" fiction was going to do what they were going to do anyway, or are we back to blaming KMFDM and Doom for Columbine again?

Note my choice of examples: South Park isn't about gunning down demons and fighting your way out of Hell, it's often picking something and trying to make it offensive. Anti-Japanese rhetoric doesn't translate to Grand Theft Auto where the player is free to go on a wanton indiscriminate rampage if they choose to. There's a distinct difference between gruesome violence and gruesome violence with an express target in mind, a la Call of Juarez: The Cartel having a level where every enemy in a level is a black man and gives you an achievement for killing at least 40 people. This is the only achievement (called "Bad Guy" no less) in the game for kills, and the only level with exclusively black enemies. The game itself is riddled with bad (EDIT: and false!)information that people can and do take away from playing it that I won't get into.

I am on your side in that things like DOOM are fucking amazing games, but they do not have anything to do with the topic at hand.
Additional Edit: I'm referring to the long-term impact, not "oh Slenderman kills people so maybe if we do that he'll notice us." There's a really big gap between something having a near-obvious tell to being offensive and watching Jimmy Gibbs Jr. get beat to death with the butt of a rifle.

I'm totally with tripwyre here. The people who just say "fiction is fiction and that's all it is and will ever be" kinda things are either arrogant or ignorant (no offense. It's my opinion and everybody can change their mind, too, me included). Fiction HAS an influence on society and character.
Also examples of wrong things being done doesn't make the other wrong thing right. And life is most times not that easy that you can just simplify and compare something with one example either. It's much more complex.
Fiction is not just fiction while it being fiction can play some important role though.

Satire requires existing knowledge of the subject that is being made fun of, otherwise it'll just look like bad humor. The same goes for practically all other types of fiction, or writing in general. If there is a solid basis of knowledge present fiction, no matter how atrocious, is not going to affect people's morals or desires to do things.
No normal person looks at rape porn (fictional drawn or roleplay in real life) and goes "Yep, gonna go and rape me someone down the road", meanwhile rape fantasies are a huge share of masturbation related fantasies across all age groups and sexualities.

How does all that fit together? Fiction can only shape people's views if they had little or no views on that subject prior. Rape fantasies are seldom lived out due to people knowing and understanding that rape is bad in real life. The small percentage that makes those a reality often have bigger issues than just consuming fiction about it. If previous discussions of this sort of topic is to be believed, the same is true for fictional cub and snuff porn, the sole reason they find it hot is because it's fictitious, because no person actually gets hurt during it.
Though porn in this context is far less complex than things like old propaganda or prejudices, physical or emotional abuse is much easier to grasp and understand than complex social behaviors, after all.

One last thing about pro-porn, ease of access to pornography appears to have a positive impact on sexual abuse incidents in real life^[1] . Should this translate from regular porn to fictional stuff like cub porn then sign us up to it, we'll gladly host it if that means more people blasting ropes at their PC instead of going out and trying to experience it in real life.

Imagine calling people twisted and evil, but at the same time really wishing someone's death because of just a drawing being uploaded.

You may be right.
But People would say "use-your-blacklist" in these situations, I guess.
Well, I know how you feel. Everyone has a thing or two they don't want to see, even me.
So I'd be lying if I said I didn't want artists to be considerate of their viewers.

But I'd be wrong if I didn't want to have to use blacklist too...? That's what it's for.

blitzdrachin said:
Imagine calling people twisted and evil, but at the same time really wishing someone's death because of just a drawing being uploaded.

I wonder what he would do to those involved, especially the "sick and twisted" creator of Alien (for example).
Something worse than alien did to those humans I bet.

Oh nice, another "FPS games cause shootings" thread!

Oh look, another self-righteous crusader that can’t deal with the fact that people like things that they don’t. How dare people think differently than you, amirite?

Also, a bit ironic how you say your opponents have a “mental illness” yet here you are making threats and wishing their death solely because they like stuff that you think is wrong. Have you looked in the mirror lately?

mairo said:
Oh nice, another "FPS games cause shootings" thread!

Sadly it's always how the discussion end up with. The only thing that bothers me is that everything gets actually labeled in the same way as "fiction is fiction". That's as wrong as the FPS one.
By the way at some village some kids really played an FPS game in real. So I wouldn't be that sure about ridiculing that. I would also claim that for example games like "need for speed" have a much greater effect on people in comparison to GTA and such. But that's all just some subjective assumptions.

I suppose you must be new to the internet, because if that's the baseline for what sets you off, you might wanna stay away from it...

I think other people have already explained to you well enough that any well-adjusted person (which is the majority of people) is able to differentiate fiction from reality, but considering you're going down the "kill/insult those who disagree with me" route, it probably mean you're not mature enough to understand this, or you're just trolling in the forums. In either case, this is probably the appropriate response to this topic

agiant said:
Sadly it's always how the discussion end up with. The only thing that bothers me is that everything gets actually labeled in the same way as "fiction is fiction". That's as wrong as the FPS one.
By the way at some village some kids really played an FPS game in real. So I wouldn't be that sure about ridiculing that. I would also claim that for example games like "need for speed" have a much greater effect on people in comparison to GTA and such. But that's all just some subjective assumptions.

Kids have played "cowboys and indian" or any popular iteration thereof since forever, or they played pretending in star wars, any form of knights, or similar. Basically every person grows out of that, starts DnD, or larping. The impact of Need for Speed on teenage racing is also fairly low, far lower than the impact of underage driving under the influence, and I haven't seen any drunk drivers in those games.

Pop culture references are generally the biggest impact they have at large.

helvernthedragon said:
You people need to know the difference between a kink and a mental illness.

What does that even mean? Taken literally, viewing certain types of fetish porn on here is definitely not a mental disorder. According to Wikipedia:

A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[3] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[4]

notmenotyou said:
Kids have played "cowboys and indian" or any popular iteration thereof since forever, or they played pretending in star wars, any form of knights, or similar. Basically every person grows out of that, starts DnD, or larping. The impact of Need for Speed on teenage racing is also fairly low, far lower than the impact of underage driving under the influence, and I haven't seen any drunk drivers in those games.

Pop culture references are generally the biggest impact they have at large.

I didn't mean it in the pretend way but for real. In some very rural places it's not uncommen to still have a firing weapon at home. So the kids took those and played terrorist vs counter.

Also the "need for speed" influence I mean is not meant just for kids. I can talk about myself that it influences me and I don't think that other people are that much different. Those which say that it doesn't are most times people who can't observe their own actions and feelings objectively.
If you can observe those changes though it's your common sense, believes and laws that just restraint you. Especially common sense and believes change with time and generations. The world changes in the way the people see as normal and fiction does have it's role, too. It might be small in comparison to other things but nevertheless you can't say that fiction is just fiction.

EDIT: The influence of fiction also can work in both ways. Changing to the "positive" or the "negative". Anyways fiction has it's role and for the things I see as right more to the negative than the positive but that's another matter.

agiant said:
I didn't mean it in the pretend way but for real. In some very rural places it's not uncommen to still have a firing weapon at home. So the kids took those and played terrorist vs counter.

Also the "need for speed" influence I mean is not meant just for kids. I can talk about myself that it influences me and I don't think that other people are that much different. Those which say that it doesn't are most times people who can't observe their own actions and feelings objectively.
If you can observe those changes though it's your common sense, believes and laws that just restraint you. Especially common sense and believes change with time and generations. The world changes in the way the people see as normal and fiction does have it's role, too. It might be small in comparison to other things but nevertheless you can't say that fiction is just fiction.

EDIT: The influence of fiction also can work in both ways. Changing to the "positive" or the "negative". Anyways fiction has it's role and for the things I see as right more to the negative than the positive but that's another matter.

Giving access to guns so that kids can shoot at each other is not the fault of fiction, it's the fault of the parents not securing their weapons. Kids not thinking further ahead than their own noses is a big problem all around, and especially with dangerous tools it falls to their parents to educate on the dangers associated with them and to just straight deny them access to them unless it's supervised.

If Need for Speed influences your behavior in real life you have other issues to sort out. I have hundreds of hours logged in games like Need for Speed (Carbon, Carbon Own the City, Most Wanted, Shift, Hot Pursuit), Test Drive Unlimited 1 & 2, Forza Horizon 4. In all those games I drive incredibly recklessly, go for acceleration and power over anything else and usually win easily, and have no problem with a taking a shortcut through destructibles if it benefits me. You know how my driving style in real life has been described? "Relaxed rocker dude cruising by".
I don't speed, I don't road rage, I treat wet or snowy roads with the respect they deserve, I use my turn signals smartly and with plenty reaction time for others, I leave proper safety distances based on the speed I'm going.

It's also not "common sense, believes, laws" restraining me, it's the other way around. My behavior are firmly rooted in reality, and I consume fiction because reality can be boring. It's fun to fly past the countryside at 300+ miles per hour and take off of a cliff and watch the view precisely because it's impossible to enjoy the same in real life more than once. Even when playing those games actively I know intricately all the small details that make it unrealistic and thus fun, the suspension of disbelief never overrides reality, regardless of how much I consumed these things.

The only times fiction should affect your behavior is when you look back at it and reflect on what happened, why, and what ramifications such an action might have had in real life. This type of reflection is where the magic of personal growth happens, and you get to decide in which direction, too. Did you do an action you disliked the outcome of? How did it happen, what were the signs that ran up to it, what were the results, could you have done things differently, would you do things differently? I find myself often at odds with how stories are told in games because the writing is often mediocre enough that the twists and turns are very clearly coming, and you just have to have your character plunder in without rhyme or reason. And if I can play a game and disagree with the telling points, but still have a good time over all, how would that piece of fiction ever affect me in a way that I don't want or approve of?

notmenotyou said:
Giving access to guns so that kids can shoot at each other is not the fault of fiction, it's the fault of the parents not securing their weapons. Kids not thinking further ahead than their own noses is a big problem all around, and especially with dangerous tools it falls to their parents to educate on the dangers associated with them and to just straight deny them access to them unless it's supervised.

If Need for Speed influences your behavior in real life you have other issues to sort out. I have hundreds of hours logged in games like Need for Speed (Carbon, Carbon Own the City, Most Wanted, Shift, Hot Pursuit), Test Drive Unlimited 1 & 2, Forza Horizon 4. In all those games I drive incredibly recklessly, go for acceleration and power over anything else and usually win easily, and have no problem with a taking a shortcut through destructibles if it benefits me. You know how my driving style in real life has been described? "Relaxed rocker dude cruising by".
I don't speed, I don't road rage, I treat wet or snowy roads with the respect they deserve, I use my turn signals smartly and with plenty reaction time for others, I leave proper safety distances based on the speed I'm going.

It's also not "common sense, believes, laws" restraining me, it's the other way around. My behavior are firmly rooted in reality, and I consume fiction because reality can be boring. It's fun to fly past the countryside at 300+ miles per hour and take off of a cliff and watch the view precisely because it's impossible to enjoy the same in real life more than once. Even when playing those games actively I know intricately all the small details that make it unrealistic and thus fun, the suspension of disbelief never overrides reality, regardless of how much I consumed these things.

The only times fiction should affect your behavior is when you look back at it and reflect on what happened, why, and what ramifications such an action might have had in real life. This type of reflection is where the magic of personal growth happens, and you get to decide in which direction, too. Did you do an action you disliked the outcome of? How did it happen, what were the signs that ran up to it, what were the results, could you have done things differently, would you do things differently? I find myself often at odds with how stories are told in games because the writing is often mediocre enough that the twists and turns are very clearly coming, and you just have to have your character plunder in without rhyme or reason. And if I can play a game and disagree with the telling points, but still have a good time over all, how would that piece of fiction ever affect me in a way that I don't want or approve of?

It's rural place and therefore life has it's own pace and rules their. You can't expect them to introduce some kinda rules by themselves 1. which never were a problem until than and 2. the globalization and therefore access to information just starts with the new generation, which also was one of the problems leading to that. Also it was just a fact on the road side matching to mairos comment and which also happened over a decade ago. Some rules and topics have to start with a tragedy to get their worth response. Even today there are so many things which need to be talked about actually but doesn't get their worth because it didn't lead to big problems at the moment.

If you can write that much and that kinda stuff after reading my text you show that you didn't understand what I wrote at all. Especially because your last paragraph states how you use by will fiction and in that way affects you to change yourself. I use it the same way by the way. Also that you don't see changes or effects doesn't mean that others are the same.
I don't wanted to elaborate on the objective observation part that much why I just described it as "can observe" or "can't"
I catch myself sometimes not being able to observe myself afterwards and surely there are many times I don't even catch myself either. Also I don't believe that there was, is or will ever be even one human being who can observe themselves to 100% objectively all the time. People who think they can are arrogant and that's it IMHO. People who think the times in which they can't are that less they can ignore this fact are also arrogant.
The thing is though that there are people who have great problems in observing in itself and/or observing themselves. Most times the people who think they are perfect (or almost perfect) observers are sadly also those people having actually problems with it.
I'm a driver who gets described as a goody two shoes (blinking, speed, checking mirrors, checking surroundings, not using the honk "needlessly" even once,...). Anyways I can also observe how kinda thoughts, impulses and opinions fictional games can lead to. Be it positive or negative.

I don't get what you mean with it's the other way round. The things restraining yourself in real life are always your common sense, your believes or laws (outer force). Either you think that something is wrong than it's your believe or you conclude something is wrong which is than your common sense or you get forced to accept something is wrong than it's law or rule. They can mix like there could be rules you also believe in or conclude as right but generaly that's it.