Seyrmo is announcing his retirement on January 21 and he has announced his intention to nuke & pave all his art, which I believe will also mean he'll mark all his work here as DNP. Rev up your downloaders.

gamerfox said:
Rev up your downloaders.

Way to not respect someones wishes.

KynikossDragonn said:
Way to not respect someones wishes.

He never said he didn't want anyone to save his art. The announcement in question:
https://twitter.com/Seyrmo/status/1217545660217643008

He wants to stop doing porn, and wants to delete his galleries to avoid being tempted back into doing it. Nothing about not wanting people to have/archive it for themselves. Giving a heads-up that they're going to delete their stuff nearly a week in advance is what people tend to do to give their followers a chance to download/save what they want.

Seyrmo is one of those artists who utilizes websites where the artwork is in non-ideal condition (Pixiv=censored, Twitter=compressed, Furaffinity=downscaled and compressed, Tumblr=dead, Furry Network=not updated) so only way to have proper collection is to be patreon supporter.

If you actually want everything in full quality and properly organized, you would need to buy this:
https://twitter.com/Seyrmo/status/1214787854498439168
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/34519984
https://gumroad.com/l/CscRrv (~$0.05/artwork by quick calculation)

In essence the artist is saying that drawing nsfw is a bad thing, putting all their art up uncompressed for 100usd or something and then saying that theyre gonna delete it all. Thereby holding it hostage if you dont pay.

Right.

Demesejha said:
In essence the artist is saying that drawing nsfw is a bad thing

Not really? They're saying drawing NSFW was a waste of THEIR time, not necessarily other artists'. Look at their Tweet. They're saying that despite spending so much time on their hobby, they have not been able to reach their goals of improvement and being involved in a manga or video game. So they're switching their efforts to something they consider more fruitful: photography (Exact quote: "change the profession to illustration to photography and focus the future" [sic]). Due to this, they're distancing themselves from the surrounding social media (Fur Affinity, Patreon, etc.) in the format of nuking everything.

Hopefully they'll let their art stay on e621, since it's not social media that they are directly involved in, but we'll have to wait and see...

Demesejha said:
putting all their art up uncompressed for 100usd or something and then saying that theyre gonna delete it all. Thereby holding it hostage if you dont pay.

Right.

Selling a non-unique product that nobody needs isn't "holding it hostage". There's plenty of similar artists out there...

Demesejha said:
.... holding it hostage if you dont pay.

This is crap, and this is why a lot of artists refuse to put our work online where it can be stolen. An artist creates their work. It wouldn't exist for your juvenile fapping entertainment without their imagination and their skills. They own it, and they deserve to make money from it. If you can't respect that, then you're the one who's wrong, not them.

Note to self: Probably shouldn't deal with ignorant people before having at least two cups of coffee.

Yikes. I mean you could intentionally misinterpret that if you wanted I guess. They specify that they feel nsfw content is an "addiction" they need to get over and then in their next message say they are "too old" for it implying its somehow a childish activity to grow out of.

Also @CCoyote the artist was making very clear of their intention to delete all their public art and then sells a package of it. Literally in any situation that comes down as "buy this or you never get to see it again."

Im not personally entitled or beholden to it but limited time offers with the "threat" of losing content are a shitty business practice that literally if it were any other situation nobody would defend.

For the record I have and still continue to be an advocate of artists making profit from their work and believe art theft is a serious issue.

This individual is literally closing their successful patreon which they make money from. Telling all of their fans to in essence go fuck themselves because they feel "adult art is an addiction" that they need to get out of their system. When they have a steady income already.

They said they wanted to work on a comic of their own but never had the courage to do it. Thats their failing.

Get off your high horse. Seriously. I individually lose nothing for this change. Its not like Im acting like its beholden to me.

I find it insulting that everybody just goes along with and accepts this behavior whenever it crops up. Its ridiculous.

Demesejha said:
Yikes. I mean you could intentionally misinterpret that if you wanted I guess. They specify that they feel nsfw content is an "addiction" they need to get over and then in their next message say they are "too old" for it implying its somehow a childish activity to grow out of.

Also @CCoyote the artist was making very clear of their intention to delete all their public art and then sells a package of it. Literally in any situation that comes down as "buy this or you never get to see it again."

Im not personally entitled or beholden to it but limited time offers with the "threat" of losing content are a shitty business practice that literally if it were any other situation nobody would defend.

For the record I have and still continue to be an advocate of artists making profit from their work and believe art theft is a serious issue.

This individual is literally closing their successful patreon which they make money from. Telling all of their fans to in essence go fuck themselves because they feel "adult art is an addiction" that they need to get out of their system. When they have a steady income already.

They said they wanted to work on a comic of their own but never had the courage to do it. Thats their failing.

Get off your high horse. Seriously. I individually lose nothing for this change. Its not like Im acting like its beholden to me.

I find it insulting that everybody just goes along with and accepts this behavior whenever it crops up. Its ridiculous.

Pornography is superstimuli.

It's pretty unnatural to get instant and near perfect gradification to sexual desires with a press of a button where our biology has reserved that for situations where you are about to have intercourse. So by default, artwork with pornography is much more liked and viewed compared to non-ponrographic one, because you are stimulating yourself by looking at it much much more.
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It's actually extremely easy to fall into the rabbit hole that is pornography and as all people are individuals and differend, everyone experiences and thinks about things differendly. For most there's no problems, some start to seek out the new edge by diving deeper into more niche materials, some start to feel guilt, some start to waste their entirely living around the material, etc. I have even encountered individuals who have given think about getting themselves snipped, just so they could focus on real life and things that matter over constant thinking of pornography.

We can't know the artists real life situation and we can't know their sincere feelings, best that can be done is to assume they are acting without any malicious intent. Just because your job pays you more than well doesn't mean that you like doing the job. Perhaps what they meant with "too old" was that they realized they are spending their youth on making pornography instead of I dunno, going around the world or seek love? Because nobody of us is getting younger and the amount of images they did last year is nearing almost daily. Also they clearly aren't native english speaker.

They have additionally sold the yearly artpacks earlier already and their patrons have had access to all content all this time, so it doesn't feel like malicious intent to cash in with stopping but rather trying to find the best solution and balance to still give something for those who like the content and with getting rid of the material which could possibly remind them of things they don't want to remember. It's to be seen if they simply mean disabling monetization on patreon so patrons can still access the content and possibly keeping gumroad up seperately as they are packs rather than individual submissions, the language barrier does make some things unclear. They did also share 2020 pack for free: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/34707283/

This is the same problem that crops up all the time, which is interest of individual watcher and individual creator, but at the same time telling the creator that they should not use their rights on their work whenever it inconviniences watcher is even more selfish and ridiculous. Artist did clearly give a heads up for all of their fans on their own channels about this beforehand, so they are clearly giving that aspect some thinking instead of going the nuke everything immidiately route.

Demesejha said:
Yikes. I mean you could intentionally misinterpret that if you wanted I guess. They specify that they feel nsfw content is an "addiction" they need to get over and then in their next message say they are "too old" for it implying its somehow a childish activity to grow out of.

Also @CCoyote the artist was making very clear of their intention to delete all their public art and then sells a package of it. Literally in any situation that comes down as "buy this or you never get to see it again."

Im not personally entitled or beholden to it but limited time offers with the "threat" of losing content are a shitty business practice that literally if it were any other situation nobody would defend.

For the record I have and still continue to be an advocate of artists making profit from their work and believe art theft is a serious issue.

This individual is literally closing their successful patreon which they make money from. Telling all of their fans to in essence go fuck themselves because they feel "adult art is an addiction" that they need to get out of their system. When they have a steady income already.

They said they wanted to work on a comic of their own but never had the courage to do it. Thats their failing.

Get off your high horse. Seriously. I individually lose nothing for this change. Its not like Im acting like its beholden to me.

I find it insulting that everybody just goes along with and accepts this behavior whenever it crops up. Its ridiculous.

No. Period. You can rationalize all day long, but you're wrong on this. It's the artist's work, the artist's decision, and the artist's business. You don't get to call it. Full stop.

CCoyote said:
You don't get to call it. Full stop.

Demesejha didn't say any such thing. They didn't say what the artist should do or how the artist should behave, just that what they are doing is shitty practice:

"Im not personally entitled or beholden to it but limited time offers with the "threat" of losing content are a shitty business practice that literally if it were any other situation nobody would defend."

You can be critical of someone's (or some company's) behavior without being "entitled". Especially if they're asking for something from you, you are very free to say what you think of the offer, whether it's fair or worth it considering all other factors.

Watsit said:
You can be critical of someone's (or some company's) behavior without being "entitled".

How is it not entitlement to tell people to "rev up your downloaders" when an artist has made it clear they want to sell their art and otherwise remove it from circulation?

Unless OP is Demesejha's sock puppet account, they didn't tell people to "rev up your downloaders", or even express sympathy with that course of action.

CCoyote said:
How is it not entitlement to tell people to "rev up your downloaders" when an artist has made it clear they want to sell their art and otherwise remove it from circulation?

How is it entitlement for people to save some art after the artist announced their plan to take it down in a week? If a video game has a free period where you can get and keep it forever, and afterward if you don't have it you have to buy it for normal price, is it entitlement for people to tell others to download it now while it's free?

No one's saying to keep the art in circulation, they're saying to save it if you want to keep it. Plus, I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding. I haven't read anywhere that the artist is going to keep it up on Gumroad to continue to sell afterward. From their announcement, they say they're going to delete everything and cut all ties to furry art since they don't want to be tempted back. Leaving it up for sale and getting money from it on gumroad would run counter to that.

Watsit said:
How is it entitlement for people to save some art after the artist announced their plan to take it down in a week?

"Entitlement":www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement. Noun.
Definition of entitlement

• 1a: the state or condition of being entitled : RIGHT
• b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
• 2: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges
• 3: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group
• also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program

Unless the artist explicitly encouraged people to download their work while it's still available, isn't it kind of the definition of entitlement to act like you deserve the privilege of saving it when they've expressed a desire to keep it to themselves?

CCoyote said:

• "Entitlement:"https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement noun
• Definition of entitlement
• 1a: the state or condition of being entitled : RIGHT
• b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
• 2: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges
• 3: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group
• also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program

Interesting that you use this definition, particularly "a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract". Most people who use the word as a pejorative mean someone wants something they don't have a right to (which incidentally isn't in that list), rather than what the law allows them to have.

CCoyote said:
Unless the artist explicitly encouraged people to download their work while it's still available, acting like you deserve the privilege of saving it when they've expressed a desire to keep it to themselves is the very definition of entitlement.

So, any time anyone saves something from a webpage, if the creator doesn't explicitly say "You may save this to your personal collection.", it's entitlement? I don't think this works as you think it does.

You keep making analogies that don't apply to the situation.

Bottom line: if an artist says they're taking their stuff off the web, then respect that.

Why is this so hard?

CCoyote said:
You keep making analogies that don't apply to the situation.

Bottom line: if an artist says they're taking their stuff off the web, then respect that.

Why is this so hard?

I don't really see how downloading the art is at all disrespectful, the artist didn't say not to, he even gave people a heads up before doing it, which kinda seemed like an encouragement to followers to download the stuff for themselves.
Honestly, it doesn't even seem like he wants the art off the internet, just that he wanted to try to put roadblocks for himself to avoid falling into what he sees as an addiction.

CCoyote said:
Bottom line: if an artist says they're taking their stuff off the web, then respect that.

Why is this so hard?

The art is still being taken off the web. What's not being respected?

CCoyote said:
How is it not entitlement to tell people to "rev up your downloaders" when an artist has made it clear they want to sell their art and otherwise remove it from circulation?

I'm not the same person as OP so I have no fucking clue what youre on about. Im talking about the fact that I think its ridiculous theyre giving up on a honed skill and talent theyve built up for an inane reason. And that its nothing less than cowardly and stupid to drop their work when they have a community that will already support them.

Theyre literally throwing away their hard work and the community theyve built up to go into a random field theyve never done anything in before, bc "adult art bad" and theyre too afraid to push ahead with their comic ideas.

It feels like youre not even reading responses people are sending in here. Also as Darryus said, (in addition to them not taking down their art anymore my point still stands) they actually encouraged users to do so and that they were personally cleaning their "social media" of the art they made. Way to intentionally miss the point.