I suddenly realized that undyne from undertale is actually a piranha. but she hasn't been tagged that at all. not sure how this works but I think her name should go along with the piranha tag.

The_Diggler said:
I suddenly realized that undyne from undertale is actually a piranha. but she hasn't been tagged that at all. not sure how this works but I think her name should go along with the piranha tag.

also I just found this tumblr post giving pretty legit reasons why undyne is a piranha.

http://undertale-science.tumblr.com/post/131461828478/meet-the-fish-that-undyne-is-based-on-the

the character doesnt really look like piranha so i dont think that it should be tagged as such

Mutisija said:
the character doesnt really look like piranha so i dont think that it should be tagged as such

yeah besides the fact that she is a monster hybrid she looks exactly like one. She has all the features. She even behaves like one.

The_Diggler said:
yeah besides the fact that she is a monster hybrid she looks exactly like one. She has all the features. She even behaves like one.

her behavior in canon does not affect on tagging here at all. and she looks more like some sort of merfolk rather than a piranha.

Mutisija said:
her behavior in canon does not affect on tagging here at all. and she looks more like some sort of merfolk rather than a piranha.

So how should a piranha look to you then? and if she is a merfolk what similarities does she have to them? and also don't merfolk have different appearances? I know I've seen some that look like other animals, so why can't they look like piranhas?

I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. This is the first I've heard of Undyne being a piranha, but I can totally see it. Blue and red colors, shape of the head, sharp spiky teeth...

I don't know if she should be tagged that way, but she definitely looks like a piranha to me.

Clawdragons said:
I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. This is the first I've heard of Undyne being a piranha, but I can totally see it. Blue and red colors, shape of the head, sharp spiky teeth...

I don't know if she should be tagged that way, but she definitely looks like a piranha to me.

also the yellow eyes. It's just so obvious.

i honestly thought she was more like a barracuda

what about dunkleosteus? the teeth match dunkleosteus far better than piranha bcs piranhas have p small teeth.

seriously she is not 100% match with any specific fish species. she seems like just general fish person. tagging her as piranha because few people think that she reminds them of piranha is bad idea.

Judging by that image, I'd only think marine at best.

Judging by other images I can find, including fan art, I'd still only say marine, but there's probably a WoTC species that it could be tagged under that I can't think of the name of right now.

parasprite said:
Judging by that image, I'd only think marine at best.

Judging by other images I can find, including fan art, I'd still only say marine, but there's probably a WoTC species that it could be tagged under that I can't think of the name of right now.

alright fine, But how about this, I just messaged toby fox's twitter and I'll keep doing it until he tells me what kind of fish she's based on. If he says piranha can when THEN tag her as such?

The_Diggler said:
alright fine, But how about this, I just messaged toby fox's twitter and I'll keep doing it until he tells me what kind of fish she's based on. If he says piranha can when THEN tag her as such?

you know external information is not allowed in tagging

Mutisija said:
you know external information is not allowed in tagging

Oh my god Mutisija will you STOP busting my balls?!

The_Diggler said:
Oh my god Mutisija will you STOP busting my balls?!

Stop trying to rub them against everything and people won't bust them.

We tag by what we see, not know, think, or have heard about. The only outside information we have on Undyne is that she's a Monster and she's normally female, meaning any male depictions get crossgender. Standard depictions involve her having fins, qualifying Marine, maybe fish in general, but that's about it, and she won't even always be depicted as being marine, anyways.

The_Diggler said:
alright fine, But how about this, I just messaged toby fox's twitter and I'll keep doing it until he tells me what kind of fish she's based on. If he says piranha can when THEN tag her as such?

No. That's the very definition of outside information. If it doesn't look definitively enough like a piranha to tag it that way now, a statement won't change the way the images still look. Undyne doesn't look enough like a piranha to be tagged as a piranha unless an artist takes enough artistic license in style and details on a specific image to make her one. Then for that image it can be tagged, but it still wouldn't be the general rule for that character.

We don't tag pokemon based on the real-life animals they're loosely associated with either. But if a single image was drawn so that the resemblance is uncanny, then that image can be tagged with it. Just like if a character is drawn as a different species for an image, it would be tagged as that instead of their normal one.

We always tag the species based on the image's appearance, and separate from any outside lore (from the artist or otherwise) about which things inspired them when they first started drawing that character. That type of info is always cool trivia, but it's not what we use to tag species.

Furrin_Gok said:
Stop trying to rub them against everything and people won't bust them.

We tag by what we see, not know, think, or have heard about. The only outside information we have on Undyne is that she's a Monster and she's normally female, meaning any male depictions get crossgender. Standard depictions involve her having fins, qualifying Marine, maybe fish in general, but that's about it, and she won't even always be depicted as being marine, anyways.

Well sorry you feel that I was rubbing my nuts all over you but I was just stating what I thought and what I saw. I don't know what you think I see but I'm telling you I see her as a piranha. If no one else does, fine.

The_Diggler said:
rubbing my nuts all over you

Oh myyyy

She looks like a fish. Fish is enough.

Here's a side question on this topic: Would a solo Undyne pic get the not_furry tag? Do we count fish traits under our furry umbrella? (And actually for that matter, what about insect traits?)

I've been noticing Undyne pics here and there while I've occasionally worked at getting non-furry content tagged with not_furry (Much of which has been following around user my_bad_english as he uploads a constant random torrent of untagged non-furry content for inexplicable reasons, seemingly half of which is mediocre barrel scrapings from rule34.xxx; I've never come so close to blacklisting a user of all things, than when he uploaded a whole page of offensively bad Simpsons scrawls... why on e621 of all places?!?) and I'm often not sure which side of monster/"humanoid race" this character falls on.

Crispix said:
Here's a side question on this topic: Would a solo Undyne pic get the not_furry tag? Do we count fish traits under our furry umbrella? (And actually for that matter, what about insect traits?)

I've been noticing Undyne pics here and there while I've occasionally worked at getting non-furry content tagged with not_furry (Much of which has been following around user my_bad_english as he uploads a constant random torrent of untagged non-furry content for inexplicable reasons, seemingly half of which is mediocre barrel scrapings from rule34.xxx; I've never come so close to blacklisting a user of all things, than when he uploaded a whole page of offensively bad Simpsons scrawls... why on e621 of all places?!?) and I'm often not sure which side of monster/"humanoid race" this character falls on.

Not_furry does not mean the character lacks fur, it means the character(s) portrayed are not anthro or animal-like. Things like kemonomimi, fairies, and similar are considered not_furry but a picture of Undyne would be, as monsters (as a general term) tend to not look much like humans at all.

Crispix said:
Here's a side question on this topic: Would a solo Undyne pic get the not_furry tag? Do we count fish traits under our furry umbrella? (And actually for that matter, what about insect traits?)

I've been noticing Undyne pics here and there while I've occasionally worked at getting non-furry content tagged with not_furry (Much of which has been following around user my_bad_english as he uploads a constant random torrent of untagged non-furry content for inexplicable reasons, seemingly half of which is mediocre barrel scrapings from rule34.xxx; I've never come so close to blacklisting a user of all things, than when he uploaded a whole page of offensively bad Simpsons scrawls... why on e621 of all places?!?) and I'm often not sure which side of monster/"humanoid race" this character falls on.

Here's a tip: Blacklist user:my_bad_english status:pending and you'll be able to see his uploads if/when they get approved, but you don't have to see the bad ones that will surely get deleted.

To build off what Ratte said, Not_Furry is supposed to be for "Humanoid" only images, and humanoid is for species that look mostly human, not just having the shape of a human.

Ratte said:
Things like kemonomimi, fairies, and similar are considered not_furry

Kemonomimi (animal_humanoid) is actually considered furry.

Ratte said:
Not_furry does not mean the character lacks fur, it means the character(s) portrayed are not anthro or animal-like. Things like kemonomimi, fairies, and similar are considered not_furry but a picture of Undyne would be, as monsters (as a general term) tend to not look much like humans at all.

Oh no, I totally understand that: We wouldn't have all the 'scalie' species, sharks, avians, and etc around if it was actually about fur. With this Undyne character, my indecisiveness on what to classify her as stems from the fact that she's usually depicted so humanlike that she's far closer in style to what you would consider a "humanoid race". She's basically a blue human with a human face, except she has sharp teeth, no nose, and weird fin-ears. So under the animal_humanoid rules (which as Para mentioned, are actually specifically listed under "furry" in the not_furry article) she would be considered furry if those traits are "animal" enough to qualify. Under "humanoid race" rules, Undyne is basically a merfolk/undine(GET IT?) and sometimes those end up with the not_furry tag or the monster tag. Humanoid races and monsters are typically considered not_furry per it's wiki entry.

Further complicating it: for some of the humanoid/monster races, they actually possess animal traits like hooves, cow horns, bat wings, and even digitigrade legs (draenei, succubi/demons, etc) but are still usually considered humanoid races instead of animal_humanoid and often receive the not_furry tag.

Hence my hesitation in making the call one way or the other. Combined with not_furry being fairly undertagged, it's also often hard to build a concrete case by example.

What would you guys consider the following as from a not_furry standpoint?:
post #413470 post #821777
It's difficult for me to say that one is while the other isn't!

parasprite said:
Kemonomimi (animal_humanoid) is actually considered furry.

Makes no sense to me, but alright.

Furrin_Gok said:
Here's a tip: Blacklist user:my_bad_english status:pending and you'll be able to see his uploads if/when they get approved, but you don't have to see the bad ones that will surely get deleted.

Thanks for this, It hadn't even crossed my mind to try using the "status:" flag as part of the filter!

Still, with the sheer volume of mediocre-to-bad non-furry/borderline-furry that that guy has recently been uploading, I [don't] [even] [think] it would [fully] [solve] [the] [problem], as uploads he makes like those still make it through fairly often. I'm guessing straight up non-furry comprises about 40-50% of his total uploads, with another 20% being borderline. It probably bothers me far more than I should even care at all, and it's not that I actually "hate" most non-furry content... it's just every time I see the guy's next 100-upload spree of mostly not-furry images hitting the front page of a primarily furry site, I get totally unreasonably salty as I just sit there mentally-agape asking "Why? Why is this user even at e621 instead of rule34.xxx, gelbooru, etc? Who exactly on this site do you even think you are appealing to by directly cross-uploading all this random mediocre non-furry content from rule34.xxx??". In confusion and filled with burning curiosity, I even tried to write a comment to him on <this post>.

Anyway, that's enough unrelated griping over pointless stuff. I probably shouldn't have even called the guy out like that in my earlier post in this thread anyway. I'll leave it alone from here on out.

If that guy's margins are THAT bad, the problem will sort itself out as his upload limit plummets.

His limit is climbing, not plummeting. His uploads are very bad but not quite bad enough to get deleted. Stuff like post #825684 (most recent upload at this time) will get deleted, sure, but things like post #821403 and post #823279 make it through. These uploads are also poorly tagged and often not furry.

leomole said:
His limit is climbing, not plummeting. His uploads are very bad but not quite bad enough to get deleted. Stuff like post #825684 (most recent upload at this time) will get deleted, sure, but things like post #821403 and post #823279 make it through. These uploads are also poorly tagged and often not furry.

If his poor tagging keeps up, he'll get records for it, which will eventually lead to a temp ban or permaban, depending on how long and how bad.